Hi,

It is really hard to follow and understand the way you are writing to the
list. Maybe it is just me but I read what you write and no offense, it
sounds like a bunch of rambling and it takes me a few reads to pick out your
point from all the text. I think you should just be clear and exactly to the
point about what you want, which is more and better documentation. Which is
what everyone wants. All I can tell you is that we are writing lots and
writing it as best we can. Hopefully with time it can be better. If you have
some specific suggestions we would gladly accept pull requests or comments.

Thanks, Jon

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Alexander Sergeyev <[email protected]>wrote:

> Jon,
> I would gladly shorten that saga, but once in a lifetime there should be
> one who is brave enough to put every single thing on its shelf about joys
> and miseries with IT evolution.
>
> You wouldn't be surprised if it was published by Wired or NYTimes, right?
> And here you're in haste and sharpened to help with four-lines-of-code, but
> ideology matter is either about slogans 'be more friendly' or field-work
> details. It's easy to be outraged with people buying cars before garages so
> that streets are not so cluttered up or just blame one for smoking, but
> without narration in plain language about causes and effects there is no
> ultimate salvation.
>
> We should draw lessons from history, Jon. Think of ancient times with
> patricians and plebs. No matter how hard the latter work, there was always a
> guarded wall between calluses and bleeding-edge knowledge (so in the end 
> resentful
> pagans destroyed a lot of libraries). But today we claim it's not
> proprietary anymore, we say get and have fun. Regrettably it looks like
> you give a manuscript to someone who is not taught to read.
>
> When one say a word 'logic', others imagine 2x2=4 or wet clothes if you're
> without an umbrella. Others also understand 'business logic' as job
> followed by emolument. That's why I call for real-life analogies introducing
> new terms (of MVC paradigm and of Symfony2 such as bundles), that's why I
> call for real-life case studies like da Vinci website between HelloWorld and
> shopping cart so even your mother could understand how to markup, content,
> links are handled.
>
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