I'd like to know that framework which you think match your ideal On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:09 AM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, the crux of what I wanted to say is: > > Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework > works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework > should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science. > So, simplicity and speed should be paramount. > > WBR, > Ghost3D > > > On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira <[email protected]> wrote: >> The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need >> documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is talking >> about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery ready in >> 12 minutes..." >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> > Symfony has many components, each of them are : >> >> > - easy to understand >> > - easy to configure >> > - very well documented >> >> > Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these components play >> > together. This is the tricky part, but symfony default configuration will >> > be >> > fine for many projects. >> >> > You just need to go further ... if you have already create/try to implement >> > a framework, you will see that symfony has all STABLE the pieces you need. >> > Try to use an IDE : netbeans or eclipse, these two IDE are great to >> > navigate >> > across the code and understand it. >> >> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Fabien, >> >> >> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters >> >> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the >> >> developer >> >> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine >> >> ORM >> >> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without >> >> Symfony. >> >> >> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations >> >> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. >> >> >> WBR, >> >> Ghost3D >> >> >> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- >> >> project.com> wrote: >> >> > You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not >> >> > before. >> >> >> > Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That will >> >> > help us improve the framework. >> >> >> > For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we >> >> > removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Fabien >> >> >> > -- >> >> > Fabien Potencier >> >> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer >> >> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org >> >> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 >> >> >> > bghost wrote: >> >> >> > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, >> >> > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I think >> >> > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration >> >> > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration >> >> > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the >> >> > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework >> >> > > than with the real problem. >> >> >> > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. >> >> >> > > WBR, >> >> > > Ghost3D >> >> >> > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >> >> > >>> application. >> >> > >> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it >> >> too >> >> > >> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. >> >> >> > >> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find >> >> > >> great leverage in using Symfony. >> >> >> > >> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to build? >> >> >> > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >> >> > >>> application. >> >> > >>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. >> >> > >>> So, Symfony - Goodbye >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz >> >> > -- >> > Thomas Rabaix >> >http://rabaix.net >> >> -- >> Sidney G B Ferreira >> Desenvolvedor Web > > >
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