No, the crux of what I wanted to say is: Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science. So, simplicity and speed should be paramount.
WBR, Ghost3D On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira <[email protected]> wrote: > The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need > documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is talking > about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery ready in > 12 minutes..." > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Symfony has many components, each of them are : > > > - easy to understand > > - easy to configure > > - very well documented > > > Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these components play > > together. This is the tricky part, but symfony default configuration will be > > fine for many projects. > > > You just need to go further ... if you have already create/try to implement > > a framework, you will see that symfony has all STABLE the pieces you need. > > Try to use an IDE : netbeans or eclipse, these two IDE are great to navigate > > across the code and understand it. > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Hi Fabien, > > >> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters > >> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the > >> developer > >> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine > >> ORM > >> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without > >> Symfony. > > >> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations > >> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. > > >> WBR, > >> Ghost3D > > >> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- > >> project.com> wrote: > >> > You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not > >> > before. > > >> > Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That will > >> > help us improve the framework. > > >> > For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we > >> > removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Fabien > > >> > -- > >> > Fabien Potencier > >> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer > >> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org > >> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 > > >> > bghost wrote: > > >> > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, > >> > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I think > >> > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration > >> > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration > >> > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the > >> > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework > >> > > than with the real problem. > > >> > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. > > >> > > WBR, > >> > > Ghost3D > > >> > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple > >> > >>> application. > >> > >> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it > >> too > >> > >> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. > > >> > >> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find > >> > >> great leverage in using Symfony. > > >> > >> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to build? > > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple > >> > >>> application. > >> > >>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. > >> > >>> So, Symfony - Goodbye > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz > > > -- > > Thomas Rabaix > >http://rabaix.net > > -- > Sidney G B Ferreira > Desenvolvedor Web --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
