On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:23 PM, David Joyner<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM, David Joyner<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Ondrej Certik<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> if anyone would like to create a nice webpage for sympy.org, it'd be
>>> awesome. We need it, since for example now:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/p/sympy/
>>>
>>> is down at the moment and we can do absolutely nothing about it. So
>>> there should be at least some basic info about sympy, link to docs,
>>> etc. Maybe we could make our front page using sphinx as well, just
>>> like here:
>>>
>>> http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/
>>> http://sphinx.pocoo.org/
>>>
>>> Also, unrelated note, I already got about two requests from some
>>> students from Cuba, that google is apparently blocking sympy downloads
>>> for them, probably because of the US embargo [1]. Could someone
>>> clarify if it's illegal for us to provide downloads and do not block
>>> Cuba? I don't want to get into some legal troubles because of that,
>>> but blocking downloads seems silly to me.
>>
>>
>> Yes, google seems to be blocking some downloads:
>> http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-10-14-n65.html
>> I am not a lawyer but I think it is legal for you to provide
>> sympy for download. You are not providing a service,
>> Google is (marketing, for example), so they should obey
>> export restrictions. (It would be interesting to know if Wolfram Alpha
>> has implemented similar restrictions.) There is for example an
>> explicit export restriction in Maxima's license (which is
>> included in Sage), yet they provide downloads everywhere
>> from their sourceforge.net page. In fact, there may have been
>> a thread about this on sage-devel some time ago but I'm
>> not sure.
>
> I looked more. The page http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/exportingbasics.htm
> refers to the control list at
> http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/txt/indexccl.txt
> The portion related to sympy is this:
>
> Software, see product group D for controls in each category
> Software, adaptive control . . . . . . . . . . . . 2D002.b.2
> Software, adaptive control . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2D992.a
> Software, electronic devices . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2D002
> Software, for coordinating function of multiple subsystems for use in
> missiles9D105
> Software, for potable electric generator development or production2D994
> Software for Nuclear materials, facilities and equipment0D001
> Software, multi-data-stream processing equipment operating systems 4D003.a
> Software, numerical control. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2D002
> Software, real time processing in machine tools. . . 2D002.b
> Software, real time processing equipment operating systems4D993.c
> Software, recovery of source code. . . . . . . . . 5D001.c.2
> "Software" specially designed or modified for the "development",
> "production" or "use" of equipment controlled by 2A9832D983
> "Software" specially designed for the "development" of the equipment
> controlled by 3A0033D004
> Software, multi-data-stream processing equipment compilers4D003.a
>
> Since sympy does not control a machine of some type in some way,
> I think you are okay. Maxima is not on this list either but Maxima was
> produced in part by the DOE, so presumably it was required to obey
> export control
> for other reasons.


Many thanks for looking into that David. I think we'll create a sphinx
like frontpage and put there links to downloads (also other than
google code, so that it's not restricted), then we should be fine.

Ondrej

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