> >  * Mess with wbxml. I have some basic pure python wbxml that we could
> > think about using, but i'm almost ashamed to admit it right now - not
> > really had time for it and code is a messy port of some PHP
>
> Is that based on the PHP-based Exchange/Activesync server/application
> that I was linked to from #synce? I definitely think this is important,
> but perhaps not enough to work on before 0.11..

z-push is the PHP app of which I speak.

>
> >  * HAL integration - a HAL callout that:
> >    * dhcp-ifies a device
> >    * starts odccm with the ips that dhcp sorted out (if not running)
> >    * starts sync-engine (if not running)
> >
> > If this doesn't make it for 0.11, any objections to a 0.12 closely
> > following when these bits are ready?
>
> I prefer the sound of closely after 0.11. I remember reading the HAL
> guide on a bus a while ago -- what you speak of wouldn't be that hard,
> would it?

Right. This is theoretically quite easy. It would likely explode if a
user plugged 2 devices in at once, but if we don't care about that for
0.12 then fairy nuff.

>
> >         * Simplifying the installation process, significantly.
> >
> > Helping main distros get everything packaged and the hal callout i
> > mentioned should do this.
>
> Mmm, good point -- the automation could easily go in the packaging. This
> would mean that it would be more seamless than if we tried to generalise
> the automation across all distros. However, this would involve having a
> super packaging-push -- this is a good thing however. What would be
> needed -- Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, originally I think.

And Gentoo needs its ebuilds. Gentoo and Ubuntu are getting the most
users in #synce right now.

>
> > I'd like to see odccm be per device if its possible. And use HAL to
> > close each odccm when its own device is removed.. Any device
> > properties should be stashed in HAL rather than apps having to talk to
> > odccm. It seems a large chunk of odccm is boilerplate :-(
>
> Personally I don't really see the point in supporting multiple devices
> in odccm -- about 1 in 100 users need it, and I can't imagine it taking
> next-to-no time to implement too.

Yay. I like that answer.

>
> > In terms of supporting device passwords, blackberry also works in a
> > similar way and i'm pushing for some freedesktop-ish hook for storing
> > passwords in the keyring so that they can be automatically unlocked -
> > where we share as much as possible with barry (which is effectively
> > the synce of blackberry)
>
> Can you expand on this please? What keyring? Blackberry works in what
> similar way -- is this having the password-entry on the device?

Right. The unlocking of password protected ness. The same way in which
you plug in a LUKS encrypted volume and are prompted for a password,
we will prompt you for a password and optionally story it in the
GNOME/KDE keyring (does KDE have one?) and then auto-unlock it in
future.

> > There is no "modern" way to sync 2003 devices. You seem to have to use
> > ancient programs like a pre-opensync version of multisync. About 1 in
> > 5 #synce requests is WM2003 related... That was a guess. Enough for it
> > to bother me that we don't offer support any more :P
>
> So you think we should stop releasing specific WM2003 modules too
> (synce-serial)?

I was proposing we pray to jagow for sync-engine/2003 goodness...

>
> > I presume vdcccm won't support WM6? It also doesn't work with
> > sync-engine. Unfortunately dropping it hurts KDE users, who often ask
> > about RAKI. I have no idea what exactly that is, but seems not to work
> > with odccm. Yet. I am strongly in favor of having just one *dccm.
> > Either RAKI support in odccm or another standalone proggy, or vdccm
> > needs to be extended for WM6 and needs to be made to work with
> > sync-engine?
>
> No I don't think vdccm does work with WM6. You bring up RAKI, but
> remember that isn't a proper SynCE module now -- it was not released
> with 0.10.0.
>

Ahh good point. RAKI was mentioned a lot when I tried to get people
running odccm in #synce is all. I'll make a note that is deprecated...

John

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