On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values > > confectionery > pastry > candy > sweets > > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300 > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite generic. > For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's confections) > and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least > without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in > some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts there > might be shops that are offering both kind. > > If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections, finding a > shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be helpful > but rather a big annoyance. > > From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that > "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's confections, > so the term might be less appropriate. > > "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and can > maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for candy/sugar > confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the > natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information with > respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use > completely. > > I think we could deal with this situation in several ways: > > a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and > suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only mixed > shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more > specific pastry and candy tags where applicable). > > b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and use > subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to > make the distinction > > c) your suggestion here > > Personally I favor b). What do you think?
My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags makes sense too. For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or "confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I prefer the later). _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
