I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a place with shop=pastry because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they have 5% candy so you add candy=yes.
Janko pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser <[email protected]> je napisao: > In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged as > bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to bake > them, right? :) > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values >> > >> > confectionery >> > pastry >> > candy >> > sweets >> > >> > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300 >> > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite >> generic. >> > For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's >> confections) >> > and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least >> > without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in >> > some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts >> there >> > might be shops that are offering both kind. >> > >> > If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections, >> finding a >> > shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be >> helpful >> > but rather a big annoyance. >> > >> > From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that >> > "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's >> confections, >> > so the term might be less appropriate. >> > >> > "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and >> can >> > maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for >> candy/sugar >> > confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the >> > natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information >> with >> > respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use >> > completely. >> > >> > I think we could deal with this situation in several ways: >> > >> > a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and >> > suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only >> mixed >> > shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more >> > specific pastry and candy tags where applicable). >> > >> > b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and use >> > subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to >> > make the distinction >> > >> > c) your suggestion here >> > >> > Personally I favor b). What do you think? >> >> My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and >> confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural >> background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops >> selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere >> and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are >> quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). >> >> But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags >> makes sense too. >> >> For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think >> that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices >> better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag >> multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or >> "confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I >> prefer the later). >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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