There are Japanese "non-baked" confectioneries. (I believe similar confectioneries in other countries. esp. in Asia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi
If we take only a) plan, I'm afraid of we could not represent cultural variations. +1 to Janko's a+b), and to express the specialty, moltonel's "confectionery:FOO=yes confectionery:BAR=yes". 2015-05-12 0:24 GMT+09:00 Janko Mihelić <[email protected]>: > I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a place > with shop=pastry because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they have > 5% candy so you add candy=yes. > > Janko > > pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser <[email protected]> je > napisao: > >> In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged >> as bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to >> bake them, right? :) >> >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values >>> > >>> > confectionery >>> > pastry >>> > candy >>> > sweets >>> > >>> > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. >>> 300 >>> > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite >>> generic. >>> > For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's >>> confections) >>> > and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least >>> > without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in >>> > some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts >>> there >>> > might be shops that are offering both kind. >>> > >>> > If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections, >>> finding a >>> > shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be >>> helpful >>> > but rather a big annoyance. >>> > >>> > From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that >>> > "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's >>> confections, >>> > so the term might be less appropriate. >>> > >>> > "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and >>> can >>> > maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for >>> candy/sugar >>> > confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the >>> > natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information >>> with >>> > respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use >>> > completely. >>> > >>> > I think we could deal with this situation in several ways: >>> > >>> > a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and >>> > suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only >>> mixed >>> > shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more >>> > specific pastry and candy tags where applicable). >>> > >>> > b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and >>> use >>> > subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to >>> > make the distinction >>> > >>> > c) your suggestion here >>> > >>> > Personally I favor b). What do you think? >>> >>> My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and >>> confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural >>> background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops >>> selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere >>> and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are >>> quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). >>> >>> But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags >>> makes sense too. >>> >>> For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think >>> that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices >>> better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag >>> multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or >>> "confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I >>> prefer the later). >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Satoshi IIDA mail: [email protected] twitter: @nyampire
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