In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged as bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to bake them, right? :)
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> wrote: > > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values > > > > confectionery > > pastry > > candy > > sweets > > > > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300 > > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite > generic. > > For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's confections) > > and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least > > without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in > > some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts > there > > might be shops that are offering both kind. > > > > If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections, finding > a > > shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be helpful > > but rather a big annoyance. > > > > From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that > > "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's > confections, > > so the term might be less appropriate. > > > > "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and can > > maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for candy/sugar > > confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the > > natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information with > > respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use > > completely. > > > > I think we could deal with this situation in several ways: > > > > a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and > > suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only > mixed > > shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more > > specific pastry and candy tags where applicable). > > > > b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and use > > subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to > > make the distinction > > > > c) your suggestion here > > > > Personally I favor b). What do you think? > > My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and > confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural > background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops > selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere > and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are > quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). > > But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags > makes sense too. > > For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think > that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices > better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag > multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or > "confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I > prefer the later). > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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