On 01-Nov-16 12:14 PM, wille wrote:
Martin,
I saw the reference to service=dealer;repair;tyres;parts in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar_repair#Tags_used_in_combination
Dave, I fully agree with your opinion.
Wille
2016-10-31 22:36 GMT-02:00 Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com
<mailto:daveswarth...@gmail.com>>:
Regardless of whether the service tag is "overused for highways",
whatever that means, it is still a tag with a clear meaning and
some historical usage. There currently are about 10K uses of
service:bicycle:xx in Taginfo (xx=:repairs, :retail, and :pump) so
it makes sense to expand this scheme.
The tag "sells" is in very limited use at the moment.
There is also the unfortunate use of the 'sale' tag .. over 1,000 uses ..
We had a discussion concerning "sells" on this list a while ago
IIRC and it was dealing with supermarkets and what they sell,
e.g., sells=eggs, sells=toiletries, etc. Someone was proposing
that OSM could include the entire inventory of such shops, which
is IMO clearly beyond the scope of our present database usage.
I think started it. I was not interested in supermarkets. I was
interested in detail what a particular shop sold, in particular smaller
shops. For instance a motorcycle shop is usually a particular brand, say
Harley Davidson, someone getting something for their Yamaha would be
best not using OSM to find it. Then you get to multiple brand shops, and
one specialising within those brands and so on. Others raised
supermarkets ... not me. I simply wanted a scheme applicable;e to all
shops.. so that separate schemes would not spring up different for each
shop type.
There will never be a way of stopping someone entering stuff into OSM
that another will consider 'beyond the scope'.
As for the question posed by Martin regarding a shop=car with a
tag of service=parts, "What does it mean if a shop=car has
service=parts attached? Is it selling car parts?" Yes, it means
that a car shop selling cars _also_ sells car parts. The Wiki says
that if a shop sells only parts, to use the shop=car_parts tag.
I don't think this present discussion needs to apply to _all_
shops, as Warin suggests, but only to the particular top level
tags of shop=car, shop_bicycle, and shop=motorcycle for which some
sort of expanded tagging scheme regarding the services they offer
would be very welcome.
I'm not against the "sells" tag but I can't find anything about it
in the Wiki and the most used tag in Taginfo is sells:tobacco with
16 instances. All the rest have only one instance. So, how should
we proceed?
Nothing in the wiki about sale either .
I don't see why a scheme cannot be done that would be suitable for all
kinds of shops.
Not that I personally would apply it to all kinds .. but it should be
applicable to the vast majority, and given OSM usage cannot be limited
to a single or a limited number of shops.
Different schemes for each shop type is a waste everyone's of time.
For instance;
motorcycle page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle
for sells spare parts parts
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:parts&action=edit&redlink=1>=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/.
car http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar for sells spare
parts service <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service>=parts
Nothing for spare parts in computer nor electronic shops .. they will
probably develop there own unique scheme. Madness.
Dave
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 01-Nov-16 09:13 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
sent from a phone
Il giorno 31 ott 2016, alle ore 22:01, Warin
<61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> ha
scritto:
The same 'pattern' should be used for all shops.
service:thing=* where things could be shoe, cloths, etc
like service:wine=bottles;casks;goblets?
service:harddrives=yes;dealer;defragmentation?
service:shoes=high_heels;sandals;flip_flops;sneakers? Or
service:shoes:high_heels=repair? service:shoelaces=dealer?
Why "service"?
Service .. in this instance I would take it as a physical
activity that may include replacement of parts such as ;
maintenance (e.g. regular service of a car - oil change etc)
repair (e.g. replacing a zipper on a jacket)
Parts .. I would see as a sells thing ...
Most English speakers would never consider 'wine bottle
service' , that is a selling activity (unless your a glass
blower reforming a broken bottle).
Again this should be common for all shops, and I believe I
have had this discussion on 'sells' here .. only to have it
rejected as 'not for OSM' and 'hard to maintain' etc.
Mappers are tagging this information into the data base .. in
any fashion .. and that leads to a mess.
If this tagging group wants to provide guidance on sensible
tagging then suggest better methods!
Cheers,
Martin
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