On 07-Mar-17 10:56 PM, Thilo Haug wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to Martin for the clarification.
In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:motorcycle_friendly
I referred to the definition of the German automobile club :
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The German automobile club has the following criteria :
* (Theft) safe and secure motorcycle parking areas.
* Facilities for wet clothes.
* Tools for minor repairs
* Extensive information material (including tour suggestions,
excursion tips, road maps, useful addresses for motorcyclists)
https://www.adac.de/reise_freizeit/motorrad/motorradfreundliche-gastgeber/qualitaetssiegel/default.aspx
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Those four points should be given if an item is categorized as "yes".
You will get few that meet all of these criteria on a worldwide basis.
The proposal looks like it is a requirement to meet all 4 of these
criteria.
In some climates wet weather is a lesser concern, so wet clothing
facilities are less frequently used and as such stored out of the way -
thus less obvious.
'Extensive' is a subjective term.
The word 'including' means that all these things are required to meet
the criteria.
The words 'for example' could replace 'including' to allow a few of
these things or other things to be used to meet the criteria.
"No" means they don't accept motorcyclists (seldom, but exists).
I would take a broader view. I would take 'no' to mean 'discourages' as
well as the meaning 'rejects'.
As there are certainly accommodations
which just don't care about your means of transport,
there is also a third option, which I called "customary",
as this categorization is already in use (for nudism)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nudism#Tagging
The meaning of 'customary' is 'usual practice' ... what your proposal
takes as 'customary' is a lesser friendliness that the 'yes' case. This
is not the meaning of the word 'customary'! And it is confusing to a
native English speaker.
Do not use this word this way.
A better word might be 'partial', meaning 'not total, but a bit'.
So I think the criteria is quite clear and not "opinionated".
In case the description could be improved, please let me know in the
"discussion" :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly#Proposal
Discussion can also take place here, and you should observe these too.
Cheers,
Thilo
Am 07.03.2017 um 11:20 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug <th...@gmx.de
<mailto:th...@gmx.de>>:
"own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,
as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation
of existing data collections
("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly
listing hotels).
This is the motivation of this tag.
one of the basic fundamental rules in OSM is that data should be
objective and not opinionated. We do not want restaurant reviews (or
any other personal review) or a generalized way of saying "suitable
for cyclists" (you can of course map the factors that say why it is
suitable or not), and a "friendly:*" tag could be misleading in this
regard. I agree that there are facts that can indicate a friendlyness
or hostility towards a certain group of people (e.g. motorcyclists,
hikers, hunters, cyclists, ...), like the signs, so I am not
absolutely against a tag like this, but the definition should make it
clear that it is about objective, observable criteria.
Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?
You can subscribe to the mailing list getting all the messages as
soon as they are sent, or in a digest way (many messages together in
one email) after n messages (I think it's 10 or 15) have been sent to
the list.
Cheers,
Martin
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