> The main problem multilingual map effort is trying to solve is how to calculate the language of the "name" tag.
As I understand - We need a "simple metadata" - about the "current mapping rules" [ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names ] So, We can use this for: - Multilingual Maps - OSM Editors - checking/validating character sets, extreme characters - "Localization of name suggestion": https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/11 - other QA tools ( osmcha?) My biggest problem is the "on the ground" rule: * "The "on the ground" rule remains the method of determining the appropriate value for the name tag. "* https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/DWG_2014-06-05_Special_Crimea But sometimes reusing this metadata for QA rules is not so simple : - " Béla Bartók square in Paris. The “ó” is not valid in French." see more: https://wiesmann.codiferes.net/wordpress/?p=15187 *My pragmatic solution* in my mind, this is 2 separated problem: - inventing a good metadata for every case ( see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names for example: Hong Kong ) - storing the metadata [ as an OSM tag; in the OsmWiki ; in the Github( https://github.com/osmlab/....) First - We can create a simple metadata - with the "Wikidata"-keys on the OSM admin areas like a simple Wikidata(OSM admin-area) - primary/secondary language code table name_en, Wikidata, primaryOnTheGroundLang, secondaryOnTheGround Lang Aruba, Q21203, nl , Afghanistan, Q889, ps Angola, Q916, pt Anguilla, Q25228, en Albania, Q222, sq Åland Islands, Q5689, sv .. Crimea, Q7835, ru, uk Russia, Q159, ru, Ukraine, Q212, uk, ... - If some area overlapping ( "Crimea") - the smaller area has a higher priority - We can merge this metadata with the OSM - and after we have polygons. 2018-04-24 15:58 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <[email protected]>: > The main problem multilingual map effort is trying to solve is how to > calculate the language of the "name" tag. Without it, name tag becomes > nearly useless. For example: > > * An Italian user viewing a feature in China with two tags: "name" and > "name:fr". In this case, "name:fr" tag is preferred because "name" is > likely to be in Chinese - not great for an Italian speaker. > * Same tags, but the feature is in Italy -- now "name" tag is the better > choice because the name is actually in the same language as the reader. > > Without knowing the language of the "name" tag, we cannot use it as part > of the "script matching" - give preference to languages that use the same > script as the reader, even if the language is different. > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Andy Townsend <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 24/04/2018 09:11, Rory McCann wrote: >> >>> Ireland has 2 official languges (Irish first & then English), but only >>> ~2% of the population speak Irish daily. There are some legal defined >>> regions of Ireland which are supposed to be "Irish speaking areas", but >>> even there Irish is a minority language. So how should that be tagged? >>> (Some day we'll get around to mapping the Gaeltachtaí) >>> >> >> Ireland's pretty much a "best case" for this as it does have defined >> language regions for Irish. Most places don't. >> >> >>> If you want to know the language in a multi-lingual area, why not look >>> at the name, and name:XX tags. If the name value is the same as a name:Z >>> then Z is the language. >>> >> >> That won't always work. You can probably guess the example I'm going to >> pick next - https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/52241235 :) >> >> For those unaware, the story there is summarised at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Daingean#Name . It's a while since >> I've been there; not sure how much of a "cause celebre" it is currently. >> I've certainly heard people on RTE refer to it as "Dingle / An Daingean" >> (that's the English name and the commonly used Irish name but not the >> official Irish name...). >> >> Best Regards, >> Andy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >
_______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
