Hi! If we start mapping refill=soft_drinks;coffee... and so on, how would you map sites where some soft drinks are refillable and some are not? As an example, in Ikea the bottled unsugared top-brand cola drink (I don't remember whether it is coke zero or pepsi max) can not be refilled, where the unbottled sugared own-brand cola drink can be refilled. Would you tag Ikea as "refill=coffee;pear_drink;blueberry_drink;tea_unsugared_drink;cola_sugared_drink"?
El jue., 20 sept. 2018 14:25, bkil <bkil.hu...@gmail.com> escribió: > Thanks for your local insights. I believe that the UK program called > "Refill" used the word in a different meaning as well, hence the key > `free_refill=*` could lead to confusion in the future. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refill_(scheme) > > Listing the semicolon-separated list of refillable beverages in the > value part of the tags sounds like a good idea. > > I like your take with `drinking_water=customers`, let me update my > proposal to this one. > > My original idea was to add `drinking_water=yes` as well to such > shops, but has received chilling responses so far. > > And do you think that a note to users may be warranted, like > `drinking_water:description="on request"`? A potential barrier may be > a tourist who does not speak the local language. She could definitely > use an unattended water tap either inside or outside the pub, but may > have trouble describing to the staff that she wants water but only the > free, non-mineral, non-carbonated variant so it will be free. They > could mix up the intention with the `owncup` campaign where you get a > discount when using your own cup/container for your orders. I imagine > pubs would gladly refill with premium content "by accident" in many > such cases, or at least I know countries where this would be > commonplace. I'll add this case to the description. > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 3:32 AM Joseph Eisenberg > <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I see that the suggestions about "free refills" are included here > because there was some confusion about the use of "free_refill=yes" in > central Europe. The English word "refill" implies that it is the second > time something has been filled. Thus a customer may request that their > glass be filled again with the same beverage. > > > > I'd suggest a separate proposal page to discuss the free_refill=yes tag. > > > > In North America, free beverage refills are limited to "soft drinks" > (aka fizzy drinks / pop / soda / cola depending on dialect), tea and brewed > coffee. Alcoholic beverages, espresso and specialty coffee drinks, and > other specialty beverage are usually excluded. I don't recall every seeing > free refills of lemonade or fruit juice. > > > > So it would be sufficient to have > free_refill=coffee/tea/soft_drink/yes/no free_refill=yes would imply that > all customers can get free refills on coffee, tea and soft drinks, if all > are offered. Or at a cafe that only serves coffee and tea, free_refill=yes > would mean free refills on coffee and tea (since soft drinks are not > available) > > > > Some places only offer refills for free on one category. For example, a > cafe or "diner" may only offer free refills of brewed coffee, while a fast > food restaurant often offers free refills of "soft drinks" but not coffee. > In this case the specific free_refill=coffee or free_refill=soft_drink > would be used. > > > > I don't think it is necessary to use a more complicated namespaced tag, > such as free_refill:coffee=yes, though that could be an alternative. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:00 AM Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I’d suggest keeping it simple by using existing tags when possible. > >> > >> If a cafe or shop gives out free water for customers, tag the shop or > cafe with “drinking_water=customers”. If it’s for anyone, > “drinking_water=yes” is currently used. I don’t see a need for a new tag > “drinking_water=ask” > >> > >> If there is a drinking fountain, water tap or bottle refill station in > a shopping mall or building that has opening_hours, just use > amenity=drinking_water plus opening_hours=* on the node. Man_made=water_tap > or =drinking_fountain or =water_well can also be added to the same node for > more detail. > >> > >> I believe amenity=drinking_water implies no fee, and public access, so > these characteristics do not require explicit tagging > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 8:57 PM bkil <bkil.hu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'd like to discuss three related proposals and two separate ones that > >>> can be confused with the others. In all the below cases, the > >>> availability is tied to the opening_hours of the containing POI. > >>> > >>> Five separate proposals could have been created, but I feel that the > >>> concepts and words describe these are so close, it is best to have a > >>> good overview. > >>> > >>> I'm open to suggestions both related to the tags themselves and how we > >>> should structure and document this proposal in the wiki. > >>> > >>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Free_drinking_water_by_private_entities > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Tagging mailing list > >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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