Thanks for the link. The situation was the same in Hungary between 1998-2009. As of 2018, it is not a legal obligation, thus it is up to the owner to decide whether they offer tap water for free. The reasoning is probably that overheads, dish washing and service is not at all free, though most "mature" places "usually" provide water if asked nicely.
However, do observe the exact wording in the linked article: >>All licensed premises in England and Wales are required by law to provide >>"free potable water" to their customers upon request.<< This should be interpreted as drinking_water=customers, not drinking_water=yes. As mentioned previously, we could start a table in the wiki to document country wide defaults. It is realistic to assume that users are able to cross check between such a table with the full OSM geo database. This would greatly reduce redundancy. We are badly in a need of such a mechanism anyway, because there are many tags which are not very useful in many parts of the world. Just looking at the forms of the iD editor, I can see many examples. One is that public smoking has been banned or heavily restricted in Hungary and many other countries, so amenities default to smoking=no (mostly at designated outside areas only). I have yet to see a restaurant that declines to pack my meal for takeaway=* if I can't consume it on premise, but it may be different in other countries. And then let's not open the can of worms of default road maxspeed=* On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:54 PM Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> wrote: > > In GB licensed premises have to provide free drinking water. > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39881236 > > Phil (trigpoint) > > On 1 October 2018 10:11:08 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Am Sa., 29. Sep. 2018 um 17:33 Uhr schrieb bkil <bkil.hu...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> The best visibility for both venues and people should be via OSM >>> itself. However, if we do not highlight these via specific tags, this >>> visibility may be impaired. Renderers could be enhanced to highlight >>> various tag combinations, like drinking_water on bars, restaurants, >>> etc., though that is not ideal. Verification could also be made more >>> difficult, because if I see drinking_water=yes on a pub, I need to >>> first start looking for a vending machine/fountain/tap, if not found, >>> ask for an accessible vending machine/fountain/tap from staff, if they >>> don't know anything about those, then I ask whether they could >>> manually refill my container. >> >> >> >> I am not sure adding drinking_water on bars or pubs would do us a favor. For >> one it might be up to the discretion of the current staff how they respond >> to your request (and could depend whether you have already consumed >> something there, know the barkeeper, are accompagnied by babies or children, >> the staff has a good day or not, etc.). There are also places that offer a >> drinking water tap with plastic cups or water bottles so you can serve >> yourself without asking anybody. (e.g. first pillar here is an accessible >> indoor fountain: >> https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/06/a0/ef/gelateria-palazzo-del.jpg >> ), and this is quite different than having to ask the staff and depending >> on their discretion. How will it be distinguished? >> >> Pubs and bars usually will have opening hours, while drinking_water on a >> fountain is generally accessible 24/7. This can be seen from the data >> (combination with what), but it might be safer to explicitly use distinct >> tagging (unsure myself). >> >> Cheers, >> Martin > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
