Warin, You're in Australia, right? When I was traveling in New Zealand I'm pretty sure they called small motorhomes caravans. But maybe not.
I have no personal knowledge of the word caravan. To me, it makes no sense at all to label anything having wheels as a caravan when everyone knows a caravan is a string of freight-hauling camels negotiating the Sahara. I say that in jest but yet, here we are again getting fouled up with usages in different countries. We are stuck with tourism=caravan_site as well. Nobody in the U.S. would ever refer to a campground hosting RVs and camping trailers as a caravan_site or caravan_park but in OSM, of course, we must do just that. Anyway, my reply needn't be restricted to "caravans" or trailers. It's merely an idea I wanted to mention. Just now, Martin replied with a page about motorhomes. I'll take a look and get back to you. On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 3:36 PM Warin <[email protected]> wrote: > On 13/01/19 19:06, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > >Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that would be > a good coverall term?) > > I would prefer that but it's an American term. We might as well just stay > with caravan. Plus, I do think the tag you're proposing could, with enough > thought, be made to work for all types of recreational_vehicles/caravans. > > There is a difference. > Caravans attach to a motor vehicle for moment. > Motor homes/campers are self propelled. > > > There was a thread just a while ago on this list discussing ti-lo's solo > initiative to upgrade motorcycle=shop tagging. It was/is a sensible scheme > that integrated the functions of dealer, parts shop and accessories shop by > using subtags to make the distinctions. (See the Services section: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle#Services_tags). > His scheme was criticized because he didn't discuss it fully enough on this > list but aside from that, I liked the idea. The main tag and all subtags > except those that already stand on their own, begin with the same keyword, > motorcycle, and proceed from there, adding as much detail as desired or > known. > > Hence, one might have > caravan:parts=yes > caravan:accessories=yes/no > caravan:sales=yes/no > caravan:type=type_a/type_b/type_c/fifth_wheel/trailer > > type? caravan:classification=* ? classifications could be local legal > ones. Other things are descriptions .. and OSM has a tag for that. > > second_hand=yes/only > caravan:propulsion=trailer/yes/solar_powered (wishful thinking) [also > gas/diesel?] > > I say again, caravans are not self propelled - they need to be pulled > along by something. > Oxford Dictionary: A vehicle equipped for living in, typically towed by a > car. > Origin Late 15th century (in caravan (sense 2)): from French caravane, > from Persian kārwān. The sense ‘covered horse-drawn wagon’ dates from the > early 19th century. > > > The caravan:types are well-known to anyone shopping for RVs (in America > for sure but Europe or Asia, I dunno) but the tag is optional. Use it for > fine-grained tagging, ignore it otherwise. > > > In the UK smaller 'back' roads are narrow - Toyota Landcrusiers are seen > as too wide, an American small Winabago is UK huge. > > > Dave > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:01 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 13:06, Dave Swarthout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm assuming that this tagging scheme is also for a shop that sells only >>> caravan parts and accessories but not caravans. >>> >> >> No, I've tried to set it up selling (dealer) as well as parts, repair & >> rental. Any other options you can think of, or better ways to word things? >> >> >>> Also, I see you've decided not to be specific about the type or style of >>> caravan sold. I would think caravan:style or caravan:class might be useful >>> to distinguish between type_a, type_c, fifth-wheel, trailer, etc. >>> >> >> Couple of people have suggested that & I've asked some questions about >> "how" but no feedback yet >> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 07:54, Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Possibly something like caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / Winnebago / >>> camper trailer etc, but then you get to the problem of what is difference >>> between a camper van, motorhome & Winnebago? >>> >> >> motorised=yes / no? >> >> propulsion=towed / motorised? >> >> Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that would be >> a good coverall term?) >> >> It's also, at least in the US, very common for a dealer >>> to sell one or the other, but not both. >> >> >> But if we use a separate page, won't you have the same problem that >> you'll only be able to find one or the other? >> >> As I mentioned earlier, if we had >> >> caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / camper_trailer >> >> would you be able to search for the type you want? >> >> So, any thoughts? >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> >> PS How you going using Warin's suggestion to create pages? :-) >> >> >> > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing > [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
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