Oups, wrong key, 32 use of landuse=mixed, sorry.

LeTopographeFou
De: letopographe...@gmail.com
Envoyé: 19 septembre 2019 12:53 PM
À: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Objet: Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

And what about something like:

Landuse=mixed (0 use in taginfo)
Landuse:orchard=yes
Landuse:meadow=yes

I would prefer that compared to secondary_landuse as it is much more scalable and less conflict-prone.

LeTopographeFou
Envoyé: 19 septembre 2019 10:47 AM
Objet: Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for grazing. 

That means that the trees are used to produce for forestry products: usually wood or timber, sometimes bark, sap, or other non-food products.

Orchards produce food: usually fruits like bananas, coconuts or oranges, but also tea leaves, coffee beans, and fruits used for oil like olives and oil palms. (According to current osm usage)

I think a new tag like secondary_landuse or landuse:secondary would be nice so we don’t needn’t tags for every common combination, but I’m ok with orchard=meadow_orchard since it is already in use.

Joseph

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:43 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:


Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A meadow orchard is specifically low density/sparse trees, while silvopasture indicates a forest/woodland, i.e. denser tree cover.

Really?  I don't see anything in the Wikipedia article that specifies the tree cover is dense. 


I didn't write it was "dense", I wrote it was "denser", compared to a meadow orchard.

 
In
fact, it says: "Integrating pasture into existing woodland presents challenges as well: the woodland
likely needs to be thinned to increase light infiltration"  It also has pictures of several different
silvopastures, none of which appear to have dense tree cover throughout.


it is using the term "woodland". For meadow orchards, I would use the term "meadow" with trees on it. The term "silvo" also is about a "forest"/woods. Can you see the difference?
 



Also the meadow in meadow orchard can be used for either pasture or cutting the grass, while silvopasture implies pasture.

The trees scattered throughout would make it more economic to put animals out to pasture on
it than to mow it.  But maybe where you are people do things the least efficient way.  Even if
that is the case, I doubt that would remain viable for much longer.

BTW, we're probably fooling ourselves in many cases where we say a field is pasture or
meadow: it may change from year to year.


places in southern Germany used for pasture are often in environments where (mechanically) cutting the grass is not feasible, due to steep terrain, or where mowing does not make a lot of sense because the soil is quite magre.
My point was that "silvopasture" has different connotations, it is about (some kind of) forest with animals grazing below, while meadow orchards is about meadows with sparse (fruit) trees on them (or sparse orchards on a meadow, if you like to put it the other way round). Silvopasture requires pasture, meadow orchards don't.

Cheers,
Martin

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