On 20/12/19 17:18, Francesco Ansanelli wrote:
Il ven 20 dic 2019, 01:16 Warin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> ha scritto:
On 20/12/19 10:15, Chris Hill wrote:
I have been a native British English speaker for about sixty
years. A trip from A to B and then back to A, either on a fully
reversed route or an alternative route, would could be described
as a round trip. There is certainly no element of a curved or
looping route required to make it a round trip.
Nor is there anything in 'round trip' to exclude a curved circular
route. Would be interesting to find the origin of 'round trip'.
HTH
Chris
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cheers
Chris Hill (chillly)
On 19/12/2019 22:48, Phake Nick wrote:
Merriam Webster and some other resources you have quoted are
dictionary for American English, not the variant of English used
by OSM. Posts by original author of the topic on the wiki talk
page have explained the meaning of the term in British English.
在 2019年12月20日週五 06:19，Francesco Ansanelli
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 寫道：
Il gio 19 dic 2019, 23:00 Warin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> ha scritto:
On 20/12/19 01:16, Francesco Ansanelli wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I have updated the roundtrip page and created the
closed loop proposal
> in order to address the misuse of the first tag:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roundtrip
>
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:closed_loop=yes
>
> Please let me know what you think
>
The word 'round' implies circular. So a 'roundtrip'
could be a circular
I'm not a mother tongue but:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/round%20trip
Definition of /round trip/
: a trip to a place and back usually over the same route
Oxford Dictionary (usually taken as a good source for UK English):
a journey to a place and back again
Nothing about 'over the same route'.
But also not the circular word...
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/roundtrip
A trip from one place to another and back, usually over the
same route.
https://www.yourdictionary.com/round-trip
round trip
noun
A trip from one place to another and back, usually over the
same route.
Idk if it's clearer why I tried to match the definition.
route that does not go from A to B and back along the
same route, it
could go A to B to C and then back to A via D. As such
your rewording is
wrong and does not match present use.
Revert your change.
How about a voting?
You may have done that before your change.
Sorry for being "rude"... When in Rome...
As I understand it you want to distinguish between routes that use
the same route to return to the same place compared to those
routes that return to the same place by a different route or at
least sections are different.
At present both of those are in OSMs 'roundtrip'. Would not this
information be obtained by looking at the route as mapped in OSM?
I think a tag may enforce it
So all the existing round trips will have to be deleted or re-tagged
with something else .. as they may not meet this definition. I know the
route I have tagged round trip doers not, so to avoid incorrect data
they will all have to be deleted.
All the past editors who have learnt the old definition will probably
continue to use it from the old definition - meaning errors will be
constantly introduced.
The editors may have top be rejigged too.
Is there a need to add this information?
By that I mean renders may determine it for themselves using the OSM
data? If so then this tag is of no real use.
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip#loop
A bus that goes from A to B and returns 'using the same route' will have
to turn around .. and that turning will not be using the same route ..
so it does not meet a strict definition of 'using the same route'.
There are too many problems introduced by this new definition of roundtrip.
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