> > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:09:37 +0100 > From: Paul Allen <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, > cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, > konditorei, patisserie, ... > Message-ID: > < > capy1do+wzv1cohdr63g2yhprkwncpmqhkqgrlgxeetz+_b8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 14:58, bkil <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > We are leaning towards being dissatisfied with tagging as either > > shop=pastry or amenity=cafe. > > > Less of the "we." You may be dissatisfied with those tags, I am not. > [...] >
Me too. A cukrászda is definitely not a cafe in my opinion. A cukrászda surely offers a wide variety of self-made sweets, probably coffee too. A cafe, tagged with cuisine=cake, probably has a limited selection of cakes (from unknown source). [...] > Add a craft=patisserie node. I expect that a tourist in a strange town > looking > for a pastry shop because of hunger pangs would be more than happy to make > a 30-minute side trip to go to an artisan pastry shop for a custom order > (and > wait however long it takes to bake it). Such a devotee would be happy to > write a cartographic style to ensure that two very close nodes render, > because pastry shops are so VERY important in the scheme of things. > And what about the tourist, who makes a 30-minute side trip to go to a coffee shop to eat some sweets, and finds only two kinds of marlenka in a paper box? [...] > > Except we already have tags for sweet shops, ice cream shops, and > pastry shops. You now propose lumping those all together in one > top-level tag (which won't happen because there are too many to > change) yet refuse to use shop=pastry with sub-tags because you > think it is not specific enough. Goldilocks didn't enounter a > bowl of porridge that was simultaneously too hot and too cold > yet you deem shop=pastry too specific yet not specific > enough. > I share the opinion that some cukrászda*s* are not shops, they should be tagged as amenity (but not amenity=cafe). [...] > Somebody called bkil proposed lumping all types of desserts under a > single tag. Maybe you should discuss this with him. He thinks bakeries > producing sweet pastry and cukrászda should be lumped together, along > with shops selling ice cream and salty snacks. Maybe you could spend > time off-list arguing with bkil until you reach some sort of logically- > consistent agreement. > > -- > Paul > Kind Regards, fekete
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