Hi Francesco, I started a proposal on the wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/More_complex_cycle_routes It will probably need to be moved to the proposal name space, but we can work on it over there before putting it up for a vote. Jo On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 3:09 PM Francesco Ansanelli <[email protected]> wrote: > I saw your changes... LGTM. > Thanks! > It would be great to have a page to document your proposal. > Cheers > Francesco > > Il dom 30 ago 2020, 12:03 Jo <[email protected]> ha scritto: > >> Hi Francesco, >> >> I will create the superroute and route relations as an example. If you >> don't like the solution, feel free to remove those relations again >> afterwards. I will only fix a small error in the original relation, but >> keep it for now, so both solutions can be analysed next to each other. >> >> I don't really like the idea of a role 'transfer' on all those railway >> ways in a single route relation. In the case of your example, there is only >> a single railway, but in theory there could be one for each direction of >> travel of the train. So if you want to describe that in the route relation, >> you would need role forward/backward in the route relation, which cannot be >> combined with role transfer. >> >> Jo >> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 11:24 AM Francesco Ansanelli <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Polyglot, >>> >>> it sounds good to me. But what roles do you suggest for such superroute? >>> Many thanks >>> Francesco >>> >>> Il giorno dom 30 ago 2020 alle ore 11:00 Jo <[email protected]> ha >>> scritto: >>> >>>> How would you feel about mapping it with a superroute relation? >>>> >>>> The superroute would then contain 3 route relations. >>>> >>>> 1 for the first part by bicycle >>>> 1 for the middle part by train >>>> 1 for the last part by bicycle >>>> >>>> If we give the train part a different role in the superroute, we can >>>> make it such that the continuity line in JOSM is still drawn. >>>> >>>> This solution might also work to indicate that certain parts of a >>>> bicycle route need to be done on foot. Although creating separate route >>>> relations for such short stretches may feel like overkill. >>>> >>>> The other 'interruption' of a bicycle route I can think of, is where a >>>> ferry needs to be taken. In theory this could also be a funicular. In >>>> Antwerpen there is a special bus service that takes cyclists through a >>>> tunnel under river Schelde (for commuters, where a ferry was abolished, >>>> it's unlikely we'll create a route relation for this, but not >>>> impossible/unthinkable). >>>> >>>> In JOSM PT_Assistant there will soon be a convenience button to extract >>>> route relations from route or superroute relations, to make a conversion >>>> from route to superroute+route relations easier to do. >>>> >>>> Polyglot >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 9:59 AM Francesco Ansanelli < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> a new example that could benefit of this proposal: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10605853 >>>>> >>>>> Can someone please go ahead and make a proposal? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Francesco >>>>> >>>>> Il mer 24 giu 2020, 23:25 Peter Elderson <[email protected]> ha >>>>> scritto: >>>>> >>>>>> For the record, I think a transfer role is a generic solution >>>>>> for the issue raised here, applicable to the cable car transfer and other >>>>>> types of transfer in routes, but I will not propose a new role value any >>>>>> time soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone who wants to do it has my support, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vr gr Peter Elderson >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Op za 20 jun. 2020 om 09:13 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < >>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sent from a phone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On 20. Jun 2020, at 01:58, Warin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Normal OSM access is assumed to be access=yes, where some access >>>>>>> is restricted then in OSM it should be marked *=no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for roads access=yes is assumed, it is not necessarily the default >>>>>>> for all kind of features. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers Martin >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Tagging mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Tagging mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tagging mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tagging mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>>
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