I object.
amenity=shelter I see as a man made object, some with better shelter
than others.
I think these should remain in the 'natural key space, possibly
natural=overhang?
But then what do I know???
amenity=shelter has
shelter_type
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type>=rock_shelter - A
rock shelter is a shallow cave-like opening at the base of a bluff or cliff
and that looks to fit perfectly!
I'd not tag them as camp sites, let people evaluate them and the
surrounds themselves for camping rather than suggest a place.
On 01/04/19 08:39, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> when (how deep) does a rock overhang / shelter become an actual cave? :-)
Some judgement is needed, but the ones I've seen are pretty clear cut
as being one or the other.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter just says "A
shelter <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_%28building%29> is small
place to protect against bad weather conditions." which is mostly what
these overhangs are used for, so I think it's the appropriate tag. If
that shelter is frequently used as a camp site (now, not just
historically) then can be tagged tourism=camp_site with a few extra
tags from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=camp_site to
help distinguish this small camp site from the larger ones.
Is "not meant for sleeping, no cooking or heating equipement inside"
supposed to be a criteria for a shelter?
I would say no. We should tag the rock overhang for what it is, and
use tourism=camp_site to say if it's commonly used for sleeping too.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 08:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com
<mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 18:14, Andrew Harvey
<andrew.harv...@gmail.com <mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Rock overhangs (rock shelters) have been quite extensively
mistagged in Australia as natural=cave_entrance.
Are there any objections to re-tagging these overhangs tagged
as natural=cave_entrance to amenity=shelter +
shelter_type=rock_shelter?
No real objection, Andrew, but when (how deep) does a rock
overhang / shelter become an actual cave? :-)
Also noticed in the discussion comments on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type
"Can you look if this could be tagged as a
shelter
?http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Champlitte,_%C3%A9craigne.jpgTounoki
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tounoki&action=edit&redlink=1>(talk
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tounoki&action=edit&redlink=1>)
14:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
If it is open to the public, not meant for sleeping, no
cooking or heating equipement inside, then yes, you could use
amenity
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=shelter
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter> +shelter
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter>=weather_shelter
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shelter%3Dweather_shelter&action=edit&redlink=1>"
Is "not meant for sleeping, no cooking or heating equipement
inside" supposed to be a criteria for a shelter?
Some of the overhangs I've seen are pitch black underneath from
many thousands of years of cooking fires, & are acknowledged as
places that Aboriginal peoples camped during bad weather - does
that mean they're not shelters? (although I don't know what else
they would then be?)
Thanks
Graeme
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