I tend to agree with Warin here. Unless some human has carved the cave out, I don't think it should count as an amenity!
On 1/4/19 9:07 am, Warin wrote: > I object. > amenity=shelter I see as a man made object, some with better shelter > than others. > I think these should remain in the 'natural key space, possibly > natural=overhang? > > But then what do I know??? > > amenity=shelter has > shelter_type > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type>=rock_shelter - A > rock shelter is a shallow cave-like opening at the base of a bluff or cliff > > and that looks to fit perfectly! > > I'd not tag them as camp sites, let people evaluate them and the > surrounds themselves for camping rather than suggest a place. > > > On 01/04/19 08:39, Andrew Harvey wrote: >> >> > when (how deep) does a rock overhang / shelter become an actual cave? :-) >> >> Some judgement is needed, but the ones I've seen are pretty clear cut >> as being one or the other. >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter just says >> "A shelter <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_%28building%29> is >> small place to protect against bad weather conditions." which is >> mostly what these overhangs are used for, so I think it's the >> appropriate tag. If that shelter is frequently used as a camp site >> (now, not just historically) then can be tagged tourism=camp_site with >> a few extra tags >> from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=camp_site to help >> distinguish this small camp site from the larger ones. >> >> >> Is "not meant for sleeping, no cooking or heating equipement inside" >> supposed to be a criteria for a shelter? >> >> I would say no. We should tag the rock overhang for what it is, and >> use tourism=camp_site to say if it's commonly used for sleeping too. >> >> >> On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 08:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com >> <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 18:14, Andrew Harvey >> <andrew.harv...@gmail.com <mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Rock overhangs (rock shelters) have been quite extensively >> mistagged in Australia as natural=cave_entrance. >> >> Are there any objections to re-tagging these overhangs tagged >> as natural=cave_entrance to amenity=shelter + >> shelter_type=rock_shelter? >> >> >> No real objection, Andrew, but when (how deep) does a rock >> overhang / shelter become an actual cave? :-) >> >> Also noticed in the discussion comments on >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type >> >> >> "Can you look if this could be tagged as a >> shelter ? >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Champlitte,_%C3%A9craigne.jpg Tounoki >> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tounoki&action=edit&redlink=1> >> (talk >> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tounoki&action=edit&redlink=1>) >> 14:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC) >> >> If it is open to the public, not meant for sleeping, no >> cooking or heating equipement inside, then yes, you could >> use amenity >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=shelter >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter> +shelter >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter>=weather_shelter >> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shelter%3Dweather_shelter&action=edit&redlink=1>" >> >> Is "not meant for sleeping, no cooking or heating equipement >> inside" supposed to be a criteria for a shelter? >> >> Some of the overhangs I've seen are pitch black underneath from >> many thousands of years of cooking fires, & are acknowledged as >> places that Aboriginal peoples camped during bad weather - does >> that mean they're not shelters? (although I don't know what else >> they would then be?) >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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