What does "official" mean? It's official, in that the signs are placed by the local council. However they are not enforceable, because no law (regulation, etc) gives them a legal meaning.
There is no definitive list of street signs that are advisory vs enforceable. But the RMS has a partial list on their website, and the definitive is the Australian Road Rules (as in various state legislation). Councils use them to discourage local streets for through use. They advise drivers that they aren't a main road - and they may have traffic calming, etc on them and be otherwise unsuited in design for through use. They aren't used at all in many (most?) council areas. In some cases, they may also have a reduced speed-limit on the same sign. That would be enforceable. It's pretty low value information to capture in OSM. But the signs exist, so we can capture them - but a access restriction would be inappropriate. I've said before I agree with Andrew's proposed tagging for discouraged access. Ian. On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 06:38, Sebastian S. <[email protected]> wrote: > So the sign is put up by the council. Is it not an official sign? > > Could someone elaborate on the legal side mentioned here. E.g. is there > catalogue of street signs in the road rules and this one is not among them? > > Are people confusing lax enforcement of the sign with it having no legal > meaning? > > On 9 November 2019 11:37:49 am AEDT, Andrew Harvey < > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 at 02:24, Mateusz Konieczny <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Why it would be irrelevant? >>> >> >>> access tag family is for legal access (with some space for officially >>> discouraged access), >>> access=destination is for "transit is illegal", not "local residents >>> dislike transit traffic". >>> >>> OSM is not a place to add a nonexisting ban on transit traffic >>> >> >> Yeah realised this later, see my other post in this thread at >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-November/013188.html, >> which I suggested motor_vehicle:advisory=destination to tag a suggested or >> advised but maybe not legally enforceable destination only restriction. >> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 at 01:55, Mateusz Konieczny <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Is it "local traffic only" as in "resident only" or "no transit"? >>> >>> Is permission required to enter this area? >>> >>> AFAIK there is no tagging scheme for distinguishing "only with >>> permission of >>> homeowner" and "available to all residents of closed community". >>> >> >> It just means this road is indented to be used if you're traveling to >> somewhere along this road, but not if you're just driving through as a >> shortcut. >> >> It's still public land, not private property. >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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