Hi Adam Interesting to see your thoughts below in relation to Victoria.
My point all along has been bikes are not permitted on footy paths used signed as allowed or should it be a shared path instead? In which case is there a preference in using footpath with the tags highway=footway + bicycles=yes as you have indicated below or a should be be shared path where bikes=designated ? Visually it’s much easier to see a shared path rather than to review the tags for permissions. regards, Sebastian > On 5 Oct 2021, at 10:28 am, Adam Horan <aho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Kim, > highway = pedestrian is for pedestrianised roads/areas rather then > footpaths/sidewalks/pavements for those I think the current tag is > highway=footway. > bridleway isn't in use in Australia much for the path types we're discussing > here. > > I'd prefer a normal footpath to be > highway=footway - and no additional bicycle= or foot= tag, unless there's a > sign specifically barring cycling in which case bicycle=no > > Shared paths (the most common ones after a walking only path) > either > highway=footway + bicycle=yes (I prefer this one) > or > highway=cycleway and a foot=yes tag to make it clear (I don't prefer this > one, but it's a mild preference) > > This is mostly with a VIC perspective. > > Adam > >> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 23:48, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au >> <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> Hi Andrew and list, >> >> How do we go about formalising these decisions? Is there a vote process, or >> does someone take it upon themselves to document in the wiki any consensus >> we reach on this list? >> >> We should document in the wiki when to add bicycle= and foot= tags which >> duplicate the default values for highway=footway/cycleway? (As per Andrew's >> email below). >> >> We should also decide on, and document the default access rules for various >> highway= values at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia >> and remove the "Not endorsed by the Australian OSM community (yet)." >> Currently these are mostly the same as "Wordwide", except: >> >> highway=pedestrian - bicycle=yes. Sounds reasonable. >> highway=bridleway - bicycle=yes, foot=yes. I don't know enough about >> bridleways in Australia to have an opinion on this. >> highway=footway - currently bicycle=yes. This I think should be broken up by >> state to reflect the state laws for adults riding on the footway. In >> Victoria and NSW: bicycle=no. Is Queensland bicycle=yes? What about the >> other states? >> These decisions should be replicated in the Australia or state relations >> with def:... tags so they can be found and used by routing engines. >> >> On 4/10/21 10:14 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: >>> With my DWG hat on, to summarise it looks like Graeme, Tony, Thorsten, Kim >>> all advocate for not blanket tagging bicycle=no to every normal footpath >>> (for the record I also support this, an explicit bicycle=no can still be >>> tagged where signage is indicating such). Matthew has pointed out cases >>> where Sebastian / HighRouleur has added bicycle=no but Mapillary shows >>> bicycle markings. Sebastian, unless all of this you've actually surveyed in >>> person and confirmed that the situation has change recently (happy to be >>> proven if this is the case, though I think it unlikely) then we should >>> proceed to roll back your changes because it's evident it goes against the >>> community wishes here and the bulk changes have brought in these errors. >>> >>> Sebastian, thanks for joining our mailing list and engaging with this >>> discussion, but due to the consensus indicated here would you be willing to >>> work through and revert these changes you've made? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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