I'm relatively agnostic as to which one tagging mechanism is used. I'd
probably have a slight leaning to service=driveway for everything, and
then have a lower level key. Yes, the wiki would need changing, but
semantically, they are all driveways (shared or not).
Whether or not it is possible, it would probably be useful to change
*=pipestem to a different tag (eg *=shared_driveway). Pipestem implies a
narrower definition than shared driveway ("Pipestems are common in rural
areas and planned suburban residential developments in the United
States.").
The idea of the pipestem is a long driveway which other driveways hang off.
However, some of the examples Sebastian has raised - both residential
and commercial - are definitely shared driveways, but I wouldn't
describe them as pipestems as they don't actually have minor driveways.
cheers
Tom
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On 16/03/2022 8:53 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
In the global community it's still disputed, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:service%3Ddriveway#Pipestems
and my proposal to have this as an editor preset
https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/239 where the
tagging question is still not resolved.
I've actually come around to the idea that service=pipstem is better,
rational being that service=driveway is very clearly defined on the wiki as
a non-shared driveway leading to a single residence. I think it's best we
leave that intact and have a sibling tag service=pipestem for shared
driveways. Otherwise you'll need to redefine service=driveway to be any
type of shared or non-shared driveway and add a new tag driveway=single to
most existing highway=service.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 08:10, Tom Brennan <webs...@ozultimate.com> wrote:
I think I started the last discussion on this, so I'll wade in!
Driveways are a bit of a nightmare - there are lots that don't fit
neatly into one bucket or another.
We did agree that service=driveway, driveway=pipestem was better than
service=pipestem.
It's probably 6 of one, half a dozen of the other as to whether the ones
below are all shared driveways. Some could equally be classified as
private residential roads.
But they could all do with a clean up, one way or the other!
cheers
Tom
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On 15/03/2022 9:22 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hi Seb!
The last time this came up on the mailing list
(
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/015014.html)
most people seemed to approve of the following mapping:
highway=service
service=driveway
driveway=pipestem
Dian
On 2022-03-15 20:16, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote:
Hi all,
Had a query regarding the mapping of driveways / shared driveways as
there seems to be quite a number of different approaches in the data.
Below are three examples of similar ways that have different tags used
in each instance.
Highway=service
Service= driveway
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/818426144
Highway=Residential
Service= driveway
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/184844142#map=18/-38.00126/145.27585
Highway=residential
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429541974
Reading the OSM wiki, none of these ways are correctly mapped as they
are all shared driveways that leads from a road. my understanding that
they need to be tagged as follows:
Highway=service
Service= Pipestem
Would be interested in knowing your thoughts.
regards,
Sebastian
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