I have also contacted Stephen privately to see if he wants to chat
Cheers - Phil From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:54 PM To: Andrew Welch <[email protected]> Cc: Mark Pulley <[email protected]>; OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS NPWS have now contacted DWG again. I was in the process of responding to his comments, was up to ~10 paragraphs, then hit the wrong button in our DWG system & deleted the lot!!! :-( That's well & truly enough for today so I'll try again (after trying to remember what I said!) tomorrow. Thanks Graeme On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 16:10, Andrew Welch via Talk-au <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I think it might also be important to state that OSM is a database, so if consumers aren’t rendering tracks properly if tagged as such, the issue is with them not us, and that what they are doing can be considered as vandalism by mappers. We have ways to reflect the current state, and ensure that mappers unaware of these discussions won’t go ahead and re-add the trails. Thanks, Andrew Welch [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 3:45 pm, Mark Pulley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I’ve just had another private message from Stephen Stenberg: I had replied privately: Prior to reversion, we had been discussing this for several months at the talk-au mailing list. I had delayed the reversion as I was of the understanding that someone from NPWS was about to join the discussion, but that did not eventuate. For reasons discussed on some of the previous changesets, and on the mailing list, there should be something present. I’ve added a comment to my changeset regarding a couple of suitable changes, and have sent a note back to the mailing list for further discussion. I had also added a comment to the most recent changeset. He has replied to me: I hope this message finds you well. Several months ago, you were informed about the decision to exclude certain paths near Apsley Falls Campground from OpenStreetMap. Despite clear communication from the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) stating that these tracks, at their request, have been removed, it appears there is a persistent effort to reintroduce them. It is important to emphasize that these paths are situated on NPWS land, and as part of their management strategy, NPWS no longer wishes for these paths to be displayed. Reinstating these pathways not only contradicts NPWS wishes but also requires additional work hours from their end to rectify the situation. It is crucial to understand that NPWS has already dedicated resources to remove these paths, and by reapplying them, it creates unnecessary challenges. I urge you to respect NPWS’s decision and refrain from adding these paths back onto OpenStreetMap. Your cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated and will contribute to the effective management of the area. Thank you for your understanding. I have replied back, requesting that he either make comments on the changeset, or discuss on the mailing list, rather than send private messages, as I don’t want to be passing messages back and forth. (Thanks to tonyf1 who has made the same suggestion on the changeset.) Mark P. On 20 Feb 2024, at 2:13 pm, Mark Pulley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I’ve just received a private message from Stephen Stenberg (who had deleted these last time): Contrary to your statement, the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service has officially closed the track. “Reasons for reversion: This is still visible on the ground (checked by myself 30 November 2023) The track is not formally closed.” Kindly refrain from reinstating this track, as doing so will necessitate its removal once again by NPWS. So far the track hasn’t been deleted again. I had asked on one of the older changesets about whether this had been officially closed - didn’t get an answer to that, only "These tracks per our request have been removed. Please do not add them back on." It’s a shame that NPWS hadn’t bothered to join the discussion on here. I’ve added a comment to my reversion changeset, suggesting access=no (rather than deleting outright). Any relevant comments there are welcome! Mark P. On 13 Feb 2024, at 11:17 pm, Mark Pulley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Done. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147406352 Mark P. _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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