Now talking to NPWS. One question for everybody.
Mark P was there in Nov 2023 & track was still there, with no "Track closed, keep out" or similar signage. Has anybody been there since then & can confirm or otherwise that this is still the case? Thanks Graeme On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 16:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: > Message resent regarding proposed Liaison Officer & also confirming track > in question. > > Awaiting response. > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 17:16, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have also contacted Stephen privately to see if he wants to chat >> >> >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >> >> >> *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:54 PM >> *To:* Andrew Welch <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* Mark Pulley <[email protected]>; OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS >> >> >> >> NPWS have now contacted DWG again. >> >> >> >> I was in the process of responding to his comments, was up to ~10 >> paragraphs, then hit the wrong button in our DWG system & deleted the >> lot!!! :-( >> >> >> >> That's well & truly enough for today so I'll try again (after trying to >> remember what I said!) tomorrow. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Graeme >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 16:10, Andrew Welch via Talk-au < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think it might also be important to state that OSM is a database, so if >> consumers aren’t rendering tracks properly if tagged as such, the issue is >> with them not us, and that what they are doing can be considered as >> vandalism by mappers. We have ways to reflect the current state, and ensure >> that mappers unaware of these discussions won’t go ahead and re-add the >> trails. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Andrew Welch >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 3:45 pm, Mark Pulley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I’ve just had another private message from Stephen Stenberg: >> >> >> >> I had replied privately: >> >> >> >> Prior to reversion, we had been discussing this for several months at the >> talk-au mailing list. I had delayed the reversion as I was of the >> understanding that someone from NPWS was about to join the discussion, but >> that did not eventuate. >> >> For reasons discussed on some of the previous changesets, and on the >> mailing list, there should be something present. I’ve added a comment to my >> changeset regarding a couple of suitable changes, and have sent a note back >> to the mailing list for further discussion. >> >> >> >> I had also added a comment to the most recent changeset. >> >> >> >> He has replied to me: >> >> >> >> I hope this message finds you well. Several months ago, you were informed >> about the decision to exclude certain paths near Apsley Falls Campground >> from OpenStreetMap. Despite clear communication from the NSW National Parks >> and Wildlife Service (NPWS) stating that these tracks, at their request, >> have been removed, it appears there is a persistent effort to reintroduce >> them. >> >> It is important to emphasize that these paths are situated on NPWS land, >> and as part of their management strategy, NPWS no longer wishes for these >> paths to be displayed. Reinstating these pathways not only contradicts NPWS >> wishes but also requires additional work hours from their end to rectify >> the situation. >> >> It is crucial to understand that NPWS has already dedicated resources to >> remove these paths, and by reapplying them, it creates unnecessary >> challenges. I urge you to respect NPWS’s decision and refrain from adding >> these paths back onto OpenStreetMap. >> >> Your cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated and will >> contribute to the effective management of the area. >> >> Thank you for your understanding. >> >> >> >> I have replied back, requesting that he either make comments on the >> changeset, or discuss on the mailing list, rather than send private >> messages, as I don’t want to be passing messages back and forth. (Thanks >> to tonyf1 who has made the same suggestion on the changeset.) >> >> >> >> Mark P. >> >> >> >> On 20 Feb 2024, at 2:13 pm, Mark Pulley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I’ve just received a private message from Stephen Stenberg (who had >> deleted these last time): >> >> >> >> Contrary to your statement, the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service >> has officially closed the track. >> >> “Reasons for reversion: This is still visible on the ground (checked by >> myself 30 November 2023) The track is not formally closed.” >> >> Kindly refrain from reinstating this track, as doing so will necessitate >> its removal once again by NPWS. >> >> >> >> So far the track hasn’t been deleted again. >> >> I had asked on one of the older changesets about whether this had been >> officially closed - didn’t get an answer to that, only "These tracks per >> our request have been removed. Please do not add them back on." >> >> It’s a shame that NPWS hadn’t bothered to join the discussion on here. >> >> I’ve added a comment to my reversion changeset, suggesting access=no >> (rather than deleting outright). Any relevant comments there are welcome! >> >> >> >> Mark P. >> >> >> >> On 13 Feb 2024, at 11:17 pm, Mark Pulley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Done. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147406352 >> >> >> Mark P. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >>
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