Hi André <OSM GPS routers use destination <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination>=* not to compute the routes, they can do without, but to know what the drivers see on the signs in order to use the same information in spoken instructions>
That's correct <I'm not sure you can copy the pictures> Google is a nice company, but they are not open. Their terms prohibit copying contents pictures. But all it takes to get lane assistant in Belgium is a few people who access motorways every now and then taking pictures of the signs. *<there is no name to use* for a GPS to call a motorway entrance.> The OSM situation should reflect current signage: if there are no signs, the destination tag should not be used <The names on the signs are for those who drive without GPS and as a reassuring double check.> I've seen the upcoming of lane assistant somewhere in 2004. I think it's a great feature. Every major navigation provider has it at the moment. Except for Google, but they are going to get it, starting in the US. <Shouldn't the same ref=* <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref> as of the motorway be used on all highway <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=motorway_link <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link>?> If the motorway link has these signs, they can be used. Cheers, Johan 2014-09-10 23:30 GMT+02:00 André Pirard <[email protected]>: > On 2014-09-09 22:14, Johan C wrote : > > In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van > bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om afgelopen > maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille vice > versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in > Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in: > > In the Netherlands I have the highways in many places equipped > destinations. As a passenger, I had the opportunity to be on the route > Breda-Antwerp-Ghent-Kortrijk-Lille to photograph. Past month the boarding > vice versa I would like the way I tagged in the Netherlands go tag them. > That means the following: > > - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details, > inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref > > - Enter destination details according to the procedure on > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details, > including entering the exit number junction with the tag: ref > > > - het positioneren van de motorway_junction conform > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lane_assist/Examples/Motorway_exit, > oftewel juist voor de doorgetrokken streep > > - het positioneren van de motorway_junction conform > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lane_assist/Examples/Motorway_exit, > oftewel juist voor de doorgetrokken streep > > > Het mooie van het toevoegen van de destinations is dat dit een stap is > om een rijstrookassistent te krijgen in OSM. Mijn op OSM gebaaseerde Garmin > is al in staat om de bestemmingen niet alleen weer te geven maar ook uit te > spreken, wat erg handig is in drukke verkeerssituaties. Diverse andere OSM > routeringsprogramma's ondersteunen de bestemmingen eveneens. > > Ik wil graag meehelpen om ook andere Belgische snelwegen te voorzien van > de bestemmingen, maar op sommige Belgische snelwegen kom ik erg weinig tot > nooit. Zouden jullie kunnen helpen door het nemen van foto's van de > bebording cq het opnemen van ritten op de snelwegen met een dashcam? > > The beauty of adding destinations is that this is a step to get into OSM. > Lane guidance My OFM gebaaseerde Garmin has been able to show the > destinations not only weather but also to speak, which is very convenient > in traffic situations. Various other OSM routing programs also support the > destinations. > > I would like to also help provide the destinations, other Belgian > motorways but some Belgian highways I get very little or never. Could you > help by taking pictures of the signage or the inclusion of journeys on > motorways with a dashcam? > > Hi Johan, > > As I understand it (1) OSM GPS routers use destination > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination>=* not to compute the > routes, they can do without, but to know what the drivers see on the signs > in order to use the same information in spoken instructions (e. g. call a > lane by its destination if possible). Similarly for ref=* > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref> and name > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name>=*. > > I did not understand every word you wrote, but it looks like you want the > content of the Destination signposting. They are all here on Google > Street View <https://maps.google.be/maps?>. I'm not sure you can copy > the pictures, but pictures is not what is necessary for OSM: what is > written on the road signs is legal information and cannot be copyrighted. > > My survey. > > On E25. > destination <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination>=* is not > used anywhere and ref=* <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref> is *not > used* on highway <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>= > motorway_link > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link>. > Hence, *there is no name to use* for a GPS to call a motorway entrance. > For motorway exits, such a ref is useless but ref=* > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref> is used all-right on highway > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=motorway_junction > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction>. > > Shouldn't the same ref=* <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref> > as of the motorway be used on all highway > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=motorway_link > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link>? > On other major highways. > name <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name>=* is used but the > driver sees no (real) signs (plates) for it. > ref=* <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref> is almost always > present but the road sign (e.g. N30) is sometimes missing on the ground, > which is annoying for the driver in a roundabout or at the fork to two main > directions. > > I tried to contact the MET to report a few such cases, but they did not > reply. > *Does anyone know* how to signal the MET their mistakes or should we tag > for the minister? > > On 2014-09-10 10:12, Sander Deryckere wrote : > > > destination:lanes=Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach|Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach;Graz;Wien|Graz;Wien > destination:ref:lanes=A5|A5;S1;A2|S1;A2 > destination:country:lanes=CZ|CZ;SK;H;SLO;I|SK;H;SLO;I > destination:symbol:lanes=|airport|airport > > Are we really trying to hang ourselves? > > > Let us think before such an extreme outcome :-) > > I'm not a lanes specialist, but it seems to me that lane drawing topology > is enough for routing software to know and tell the driver which of the > lanes (n°1, n°2, n°3) to take to get to another lane ahead. > So, the question is: what should the GPS tell the driver (click, choose > language, click loudspeaker): > > - That ??? > > <https://translate.google.be/?#en/nl/Take%20a%20lane%20to%0AGraz%3BWien%3B%0AS1%3BA2%3B%0ACzechoslovakia%3BHungary%3BSlovenia%3BItaly%3B%0Aairport%0A%0A.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%0A%0ATake%20a%20lane%20to%0ABrno%3BPoysdorf%3BMistelbach%3B%0AA5%3B%0ACzechoslovakia%3B> > - or this ??? > > <https://translate.google.be/?#en/nl/Take%20a%20lane%20to%20S1%0A%0A.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%0A%0ATake%20a%20lane%20to%20A5> > > Is it really necessary to make a mess by trying to spell/translate every > place in/to every language (2)? > Isn't it wiser to use only the (ref) numbering system devised and used for > everybody's convenience? > That's including OSM. > I think that just the destination:ref is necessary, and only if it cannot > be derived from topology. > The names on the signs are for those who drive without GPS and as a > reassuring double check. > Or in the rare cases there would be no refs. > > Anyway, that said, I'll never map anything with the :lanes extension > myself, nor will I edit any such tag, but I you're willing to go through > that painful process, I won't stop you. > > (oh, and if you want cooperation for all Belgian highways, better also > put your message in English or French). > > It worked ;-) > > (1) they can do without them. This is unfortunately badly explained once > again. > (2) I usually listen to Osmand in English. > Easier to understand (must be my ear too) and sounding like navigating to > the moon (add beeps). > But the real fun is trying to understand French names pronounced à la > English !!! :-) > > André. > > - Dutch - detected > - English > - French > - Russian > > > - English > - French > - Russian > >
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