Thanks for this succinct summary and sample email from the community forum!
It is also easy to forget that the experience for new users is different from existing users of the mailing list: * It took me a couple tries to post my message, as I needed to subscribe to the list and the email with the link to confirm the subscription went to my spam folder in Gmail * I would also not be able to search the archived messages, as I have not received them… I am ultimately not making any decisions here, but wanted to test the mailing list experience, and give you a heads up :) It looks like active communities like e.g., talk-gb and talk-au will be migrated, while others will be archived: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/retire-unnecessary-mailing-lists/133512/21 > On 2 Aug 2025, at 17:41, fghj753.osm@ää.eu <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > I think maintaining two parallel communication channels is unnecessary. Since > the forum supports mailing-list mode (with caveats, see [1]), and most of the > discussion is already happening there (13 threads in the past year on the > forum versus 2 on the mailing list, counting generic announcements like the > survey invite and the current topic) [2][3], it makes sense to consolidate. I > personally don’t use mailing list mode, but I do receive email copies > whenever a new post appears in the Estonian subforum, plus a weekly digest of > the most popular global topics (typically tagging disputes). > > As for maintenance costs, exact euros-per-email number is not known, but over > years maintaining mailing lists has become more gruesome due to evolving > security requirements, spam-filtering behaviour from recipient providers and > current large obstacle of migrating from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3 [4]. Based > on [4], [5], [6] and [7], a reasonable estimate cost of maintaining average > mailing list is in range of 350-700 GBP/yr, depending largely on how much > time Firefishy dedicates to Mailman. > > BR, > Fghj753 > > [1] - > https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/discourse-and-mailing-list-mode/6054 > [2] - https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/ee/79 > [3] - https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ee/ > [4] - > https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/retire-unnecessary-mailing-lists/133512/9 > [6] - > https://osmfoundation.org/w/images/8/89/OpenStreetMap_Foundation_Draft_Budget_2025-Ver_8.pdf > [7] - https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo > > PS. Sample message for announcing this discussion on Discourse is pasted > below. Mailing lists drop formatting, so I don’t know how it’ll actually look > when delivered. > > From: eisa01 via OpenStreetMap Community Forum > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2025 12:20 PM > To: email > Subject: [Communities/Eesti (Estonia)] Close Estonian mailing list? > > > eisa01 <https://community.openstreetmap.org/u/eisa01> > August 2 > The talk-ee <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ee/> mailing list > is seeing very limited usage > > Given there’s a cost of maintaining these, have you considered closing it? > There’s been no posts to it in 2025 > > See Retire unnecessary mailing lists > <https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/retire-unnecessary-mailing-lists/133512> > for context > > Visit Topic > <https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/close-estonian-mailing-list/133539/1> > or reply to this email to respond. > To unsubscribe from these emails, click here. > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ee mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
_______________________________________________ Talk-ee mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
