On 11 Nov 2009, at 10:39, Richard Mann wrote:
I found this a useful summary of the UK copyright position:
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use
This was the reason for my comment that our use on a street map
would be akin to news reporting (ie - to me - a simple way of
precisely, concisely and neutrally representing the organisation
concerned). Of course it doesn't hurt to ask, but the question
should be "this is fair use, isn't it", not "can I have a free
licence". I agree that it's not "incidental" use.
Thanks - that is a useful reference and seems to be a very credible
organisations (partnership with British Library etc). It would seem
that we could indeed use the logos as 'news reporting' as long as a
reference the source somewhere. I note that they say that: "Cases
dealing with fair dealing can be complex, as decisions are based on
individual circumstances and judgements. This can be a very difficult
area of copyright law. To avoid problems, if you are in any doubt, you
are advised to always get the permission of the owner, prior to use
Can I suggest that we 'inform' them of out intentions to use the logo
unless we are told 'no' together and a sample of what it would look
like and our interpretation of copyright law. We should avoid 'asking'
them as such and then needing a positive 'yes' from them.
They can still say no, but a non-response will be taken as
confirmation that our reading of the copyright law is correct.
Regards,
Peter
I'd also say that while our purpose is to provide geodata, we do
need to provide it both in raw form, and in a rendered form (and
that includes settling questions like these). Rendering could be
easier, but it will never be "easy".
Maybe a lesson is that the default rendered form should be a bit
less ambitious in what it includes (such as buildings and
housenumbers), with a more thorough version provided for those who
figure out what the "+" button means. A few "more thorough" versions
are useful to illustrate the greater detail that's available in
certain categories (eg cycle and bus/train routes), and the ways in
which renderers can re-present the data, but these should ideally
move towards being in an accessible "you can do this too" form.
Richard
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Tom Chance <[email protected]> wrote:
2009/11/10 Richard Mann <[email protected]>
The roundel (the simple red ring and blue bar version) is more than
70 years old, if that makes any difference. The BR logo is somewhat
newer, however.
Putting it on a map feels to me to be akin to news reporting, so it
might constitute fair use.
First, there's no such thing as fair use in the UK, we have "fair
dealing" which is quite different to "fair use" provisions in other
countries. Second, never ever put OSM in a position where it is open
to serious legal attack based on your or my untrained feeling :)
We get permission from TfL, or we seek costly legal advice.
On a cartography point, would we specify a rule for the operator TfL
so that every other metro system doesn't get the same logo? Would
this open the Mapnik stylesheet up to thousands of extra lines to
accommodate every local symbol?
Best wishes,
Tom
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