----- Original Message -----
From: "Barnett, Phillip" <[email protected]>
To: "'80n'" <[email protected]>; "David Groom" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source
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I've been mapping off and on since April 2006, and I've contributed
approximately 1320 changesets in that time. Only three of which include OS
data. Are all my contributions going to be rejected?
I have not, as yet, signed up to the new CTs, though was intending to.
I'm now not touching OS data - but is it too late? Surely it's just a
question of removing the 'tainted' changesets? Or, to be safe, all the
changesets I've contributed since the OS data became available?
Arguably it is too late, if you take a strict interpretation of the CT's and
their preamble.
The preamble states " you accept the terms of this agreement for your
existing and future contributions". You have an 3 existing contributions
(changesets) which include OS data, and so technically you cant agree to the
CT's.
Even if you removed the "tainted" changesets I would contend you are still
unable to agree the CT's as the data was still had added (though
subsequently removed) . Now if the preamble stated "you accept the terms
of this agreement for your existing (to the extent that they have not
previously been removed) and future contributions", then you might be on
slightly safer ground agreeing to the CT's, but even then, as the addition
exists as history, and isn't technically removed from the DB then you
probably would still have problems agreeing to the CT's.
David
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Sent: 22 August 2010 18:41
To: David Groom
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source
WAS The last 2%
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Groom
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Peat"
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: "Robert Whittaker (OSM)"
<[email protected]<mailto:robert.whittaker%[email protected]>>;
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source
WAS The last 2%
However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is
incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly
ODbL too.
I thought this was still to be confirmed? It may not be that important to
townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers
(woods,
streams, rivers, coastline, etc.) and it is a crucial issue for me.
It is still to be confirmed. The situation at the moment is there is no
guarantee that OS OpenData is compatible with the CT's.
Hence if you currently contribute anything based on OS OpenData to OSM
you run the risk that you will be prevented from contributing to OSM in
the future.
To be clear about this, you can still continue to contribute OS OpenData
to OSM providing you have not, and do not, agree to the new contributor
terms.
If you have already contributed content derived from OS OpenData then you
cannot and should not agree to the contributor terms as they currently
stand.
Your contributions will not be lost because there will probably always be
a place where these contributions continue to be editable and available
under CC-BY-SA. This may not be OSM but it is likely there will be sites
that continue to maintain CC-BY-SA licensed content.
I am aware that the LWG have been considering the matter since at least 8
June [1] , but that as 17 August they have yet to ask legal counsels
opinion on this [2].
David
Kevin
[1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_67f465m4cd
[2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_77rbr8fgfw
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