Hi OpenStreetmap HADW, I've worked with a number of retailers on digital projects, usually involving some-kind of store locator and I'm certain they would encourage anything that points more customers to their stores, especially if it requires no additional resources / cost on their side. If there is no license on their website regarding the information, then shouldn't it be considered public domain? Worth noting, often the data is held in their systems as a post code, and is likely to have been converted at some point to the necessary lat/lon - this process might not be as perfect as OSM would like, so some common sense should be used to interpret this data.
Hope that helps, Adam On 15 Sep 2013, at 23:27, OpenStreetmap HADW <[email protected]> wrote: > On 15 September 2013 22:24, Dave F. <[email protected]> wrote: >> On 15/09/2013 21:41, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote: >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that store locators pages on chain store web sites are >>> not safe sources, but can someone confirm this. >> >> >> What do mean by "safe"? Inaccurate? Unlawful? > > Likely to be an infringement of the operator's copyrights (a store > locator will have database rights, like a map), and if a map had > actually been used from the site, which seems unlikely in this case, > of the rights in the map (store locators often have rather better maps > than the Bing one used in this case). If it is OK to use store > locators, I can see people exporting all the big name store locators > into the map. >> >> There's nothing really wrong with the closed polygon that can't be fixed by > > These are side issues. The issue I was consulting on here was the > copyright one. > >> removing the building tag. The mapper's clearly used the Bing aerial >> background imagery to trace the area & used Asda's website for other data. >> Seeing the car park originates from '09, I'm going to guess the supermarket >> polygon was expanded from a POI. I can't think of any data being more > > I can't remember. However the current mapper has left at least two > POIs behind when they have mapped buildings, so I have a feeling it > wasn't mapped at all. Also, I seem to remember thinking about mapping > this myself, but holding back because I would have had to use the weak > source, local_knowledge, to identify it as Asda, so I would have > wanted to re-visit it on the ground, first. The reasons I didn't just > remove building=yes were: > > - I felt uncomfortable about building on something that might have > come from a copyright map (I was half expecting a usable map of the > site on Asda's web site); > > - the site outline is wrong. It takes in a health centre and > community centre and some blocks of flats that are not part of the > Asda site - I felt getting that right was something for another day; > > - getting the mapper to fix it would be more likely to avoid the same > mistake being made again, and get them to fix their other instances - > I know of at least one other with the building tag on a site > > Incidentally, the building tag may be an Id issue. JOSM doesn't set > building by default on shops. > >> accurate than the operator's web page. I'm not sure why you so concerned >> about this instance. Nothing in OSM is completely accurate. If you know ways >> to improve the data, do so. > > However, the accuracy is a side issue, that can be handled offline. > My concern is about the principle of whether store locators are a > special case of a database that is exempt from the normal rule about > not importing databases, even piecemeal. If they are, I would expect > a source code of something like "store_locator", rather than the full > URL, or, if the full URL for that store were visible on geographic > site, simply "website". > > (In this case, I suspect the real sources were survey (by eye, not > GPS), Bing, and then only using the web site for phone numbers, > website and address. Although they didn't have opening hours at all, > those should have been available on site.) > > (What made me look at it was that it was local and had no changeset comment.) > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
