On 16 September 2013 19:18, David Earl <[email protected]> wrote: > On 16/09/2013 17:35, Adam Hoyle wrote: >> >> On 16 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Andy Allan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
> Almost all retail sites will claim blanket copyright in every page of their > websites. Just to take one at random, I went to http://www.boots.com/ . See > the bottom of the page, and you'll see the copyright statement. It would be difficult to find any commercial or large business that doesn't. In this case, Asda do. > > Furthermore, any maps or use of postcode location they use may also be > copyright to someone else, like Royal Mail. Asda certainly look as though they must have used postcode centres, as their marker is at the back of the site and so far off the actual store that Bing's icon for store is outside the frame! However, basic postcode centre locations are part of the OS OpenData releases. What is still kept under lock and key by the Post Office is the allocation of street addresses to postcodes and the, detailed, Walksort(TM) level codes used in the bar codes on mail from institutions. Providing an interface to add a business by postcode might actually be a useful way of getting a first cut set of data without risking an inexperienced marketing person using copyright mapping data. > copyright to do that, as long as they understand the implications, that the > specific information referred would be released under the ODbL. I'd have > thought most stores would be only too glad for their locations to be > published, but because of the blanket copyright claimed, they'd each need to > be asked. The best approach would be to encourage them to submit the information directly to OSM, so that they go through the standard OSM licence grant process. The problem may be in getting a share out o what may be a very small marketing budget for maintaining the store locator. Of course, the benefit to them may be that they get detailed mapping of the correct geometry of their site out of OSM, at the slight risk of occasional vandalism and good intentions gone wrong. OSM gets the risk that they may not really understand the licence, although I fear that the latest generation of mappers may have the same problem. > > The caveat is that they may not be in a position to give you permission if > the data is itself tied up in copyright to someone else - for example if it > is derived using the Royal Mail postcode to location database. Depending who As noted above, getting postcodes rather than full geo-refs would reduce the risk of third party copyright breaches. In the Asda case, the OSM mapping doesn't seem to have used the store locator mapping. > > The kind of stores we're talking about are in sizeable places, and the > numbers aren't huge, so doing it on foot is surely perfectly do-able and Unfortunately, OSM is becoming an armchair exercise. I don't know if the existing car park, at Asda, was armchair mapping, but in some areas, any place where two or more cars gather together gets mapped as a car park, without any access restrictions. > quicker and easier than approaching every chain for a complicated permission > which they may themselves get wrong. Doing it on the ground means you get > them all, systematically, in one place too irrespective of size or whether > they have an online branch finder. You also get the right information, not what the marketing department thought they knew. I recently mapped a PFI for NHA health centre which had both a sketch map and one of the standard online maps identifying a building on the wrong side of the service road as the centre (it is hosted within a sport centre). _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
