Just a general point about shops. There is a perfectly good OPEN data source containing address (& postcode centroid as lat/lon) available for all food outlets covering most UK local authorities.
This is the Food Standards Agency's Food Hygiene Rating Scheme<http://ratings.food.gov.uk/open-data/en-GB>. I don't in general use it for armchair mapping (the exceptions being places I used to know well, where I have used FHRS to verify that a pub/restaurant/cafe is still in business), but it is very powerful for a) finding places to survey; and b) adding address data. It is certainly likely to cover major chains such as : Tesco, Morrison, Sainsbury's, Waitrose, Asda, Boots, Superdrug, W.H. Smith. Like most data sources it's not perfect: I've encountered a few omissions (including the banqueting hall mentioned in an earlier thread) as well as out-of-date information. License info on the FHRS site is somewhat opaque, but Open Data gov provides this search<http://data.gov.uk/data/search?license_id-is-ogl=true&q=food+hygiene> . So there is no need to even think about using Store Locator stuff on proprietary websites. Jerry On 17 September 2013 08:38, OpenStreetmap HADW <[email protected]> wrote: > On 16 September 2013 19:18, David Earl <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 16/09/2013 17:35, Adam Hoyle wrote: > >> > >> On 16 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Andy Allan <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > > Almost all retail sites will claim blanket copyright in every page of > their > > websites. Just to take one at random, I went to http://www.boots.com/ . > See > > the bottom of the page, and you'll see the copyright statement. > > It would be difficult to find any commercial or large business that > doesn't. In this case, Asda do. > > > > > Furthermore, any maps or use of postcode location they use may also be > > copyright to someone else, like Royal Mail. > > Asda certainly look as though they must have used postcode centres, as > their marker is at the back of the site and so far off the actual > store that Bing's icon for store is outside the frame! However, basic > postcode centre locations are part of the OS OpenData releases. What > is still kept under lock and key by the Post Office is the allocation > of street addresses to postcodes and the, detailed, Walksort(TM) level > codes used in the bar codes on mail from institutions. > > Providing an interface to add a business by postcode might actually be > a useful way of getting a first cut set of data without risking an > inexperienced marketing person using copyright mapping data. > > > > copyright to do that, as long as they understand the implications, that > the > > specific information referred would be released under the ODbL. I'd have > > thought most stores would be only too glad for their locations to be > > published, but because of the blanket copyright claimed, they'd each > need to > > be asked. > > The best approach would be to encourage them to submit the information > directly to OSM, so that they go through the standard OSM licence > grant process. The problem may be in getting a share out o what may > be a very small marketing budget for maintaining the store locator. > Of course, the benefit to them may be that they get detailed mapping > of the correct geometry of their site out of OSM, at the slight risk > of occasional vandalism and good intentions gone wrong. OSM gets the > risk that they may not really understand the licence, although I fear > that the latest generation of mappers may have the same problem. > > > > > The caveat is that they may not be in a position to give you permission > if > > the data is itself tied up in copyright to someone else - for example if > it > > is derived using the Royal Mail postcode to location database. Depending > who > > As noted above, getting postcodes rather than full geo-refs would > reduce the risk of third party copyright breaches. In the Asda case, > the OSM mapping doesn't seem to have used the store locator mapping. > > > > > The kind of stores we're talking about are in sizeable places, and the > > numbers aren't huge, so doing it on foot is surely perfectly do-able and > > Unfortunately, OSM is becoming an armchair exercise. I don't know if > the existing car park, at Asda, was armchair mapping, but in some > areas, any place where two or more cars gather together gets mapped as > a car park, without any access restrictions. > > > quicker and easier than approaching every chain for a complicated > permission > > which they may themselves get wrong. Doing it on the ground means you get > > them all, systematically, in one place too irrespective of size or > whether > > they have an online branch finder. > > You also get the right information, not what the marketing department > thought they knew. I recently mapped a PFI for NHA health centre > which had both a sketch map and one of the standard online maps > identifying a building on the wrong side of the service road as the > centre (it is hosted within a sport centre). > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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