On 26/07/19 21:06, Colin Smale wrote:
I guess what we are trying to get out of this, is:
a) as a router, can i feel free to route "Joe Public" through here?
If the gate is open - yes.
If the gate is closed and unlocked - yes.
If the gate is closed and locked - no.
I would expect an access tag would be used if 'Joe' were not allowed or
inhibited is some way e.g opening_hours, max_height.
b) as a router, how much time penalty should i factor in for passing
this gate?
Depends. In Australia the gate would be an extension of a fence line.
Fence lines are where animals tend to run at speed and collide with
vehicles.
Even if open I tend to slow, if there is plant cover obscuring the
view10 mph or less, even then I have had a roo collide with the side of
my vehicle. I stopped, it took off and failed to render details... hit
and run.
If closed and fastened I have spent a good 10 minutes figuring out how
to open then close the thing! Most are a minute, but ..
The more difficult one can be seen as an intelligence test, if you pass
the test you can enter :)
Anything else?
Good luck.
On 2019-07-26 12:58, Warin wrote:
To bring a little international perspective to this.
In outback Australia the convention is "leave the gate as you found
it". Unfortunately there are some who don't.
To cope with this problem some gates are hung so that they close
under gravity.
To keep these open the farmer locks the gate open. Few people stop
and try to close the gate, and are defeated by the lock anyway.
So indicating that a gate is locked .. says little as to if it is
open or closed to me.
I think the 2 conditions need to be separated and not assumed;
locked = yes/no
closed = yes/no
Not certain how to handle automatic - I think they are mostly
automatically closing only, some do both closing and opening and
there is the possibility of automatically opening only. Err some may
have automatic lock features too...
In addition some gates are fastened, but can be manually opened if
you figure out the mechanism (some are quite inventive!). A problem I
have found is on re-fastening these inventive mechanisms .. can take
some time to remember it or reinvent it. Perhaps these should be
called 'locked' and the above 'key_locked'???
On 26/07/19 20:26, Gareth L wrote:
This was discussed on the wiki
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate> with
the suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9
years ago?!)
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html
<https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html>
Tagging things as access=private does impact routing a lot, so I'd
evaluate that use carefully.
Gareth
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*From:* Andy Robinson <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2019 10:55:37 AM
*To:* 'Stephen Colebourne' <[email protected]>; 'talk-gb OSM
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*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default
If a gate opens automatically I would say it's an access=yes
regardless of how the way is tagged.
Cheers
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 26 July 2019 10:47
To: talk-gb OSM List
Subject: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default
I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private roads:
- those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic closing)
- those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists, but is
rarely if ever closed)
Currently I'm marking both as barrier=gate & access=private, but I
can't see an obvoius way to mark the open/closed by default aspect.
One thought was to use access=permissive on those that are open (with
the highway still access=private).
Any suggestions?
Stephen
PS, I do want to mark the gate on the map even if it is always open
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