On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:59, Colin Smale <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2019-07-26 12:26, Gareth L wrote: > This was discussed on the wiki > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate with the > suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9 years ago?!) > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, there was no resolution to the discussion AFAICT. > Access=* denotes the legal position, not the presence or absence of physical > obstacles. Access=permissive is just as wrong as access=private as a proxy > for gate=normally_open etc. Don't tag incorrectly for the renderer (or > router!) I get that might be the official rule, but in many cases you can't determine the *legal* position without being a lawyer and doing lots of research. When doing ground surveys like I am, all I can say is "can I go here", unless there is an explicit "private" sign. I strongly suspect that most mappers use the access tag to mean "can I go here" to some degree. I'd also suggest that it is much more interesting to users of the data than the legal status. I'd prefer to see a legal_access tag for those cases where the legal position is clear (public footpath or "private" sign), with the access tag treated as the more practical "can I go here". WIth that approach, access=permissive vs access=private would cover open gates vs ones where you have to buzz to go in. It would also cover an open pedestrian gate alongside a closed vehicle gate without the need for a second pedestrian-only highway/gate. I see legal_access as a little like the designation=public_footpath tag, useful when you really know the legal status. eg something like: - legal_access=private, access=private: privately owned, can't get in, eg gated/locked - legal_access=private, access=permissive: privately owned but nothing stops you going in (refined by foot/bicycle etc) - access=yes: you can freely access it - legal_access=public, access=yes: can freely access it and legally public, eg public footpath or park The previous thread suggested: - status=open - status=unlocked (to mean closed but unlocked) - staus= locked which isn't terrible, although it would need agreement to make it worth tagging. (I don't personally buy into Warin's need to document a locked open gate, but if it was needed, the status scheme would be insufficient.) Otherwise, I guess opening_hours is a possibility, but doesn't feel quite right. Stephen _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
