Hi Patrick, For the collection_days tag, it might be possible to use the same tagging syntax as the collection_times for post-boxes and recycling bins. It's on the wiki here- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:collection_times
You can add days or days with times. --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, at 10:10 AM, Patrick Lake wrote: > Hi Jez, > > I agree, we are going to encourage them to rely on OSM as their main source > of data in the future, but whether they’ll use it for essential stuff like > planning collection routes I don’t know. We (ODI Leeds), however, *will* be > relying on OSM data, as this is all part of a wider project we’re doing for > LCC involving analysis on how much waste is collected from these bins and > where the optimum location for additional litter bins and recycling points > would be. So we’re keen for it to be accurate. > > I thought of just tagging the LCC ID as lcc:id as I assume it will be > meaningless to anyone not from the council. Here’s the rest of the tags we > planned to use with examples from the data we’re importing (obviously we can > change these): > amenity=waste_basket > * waste_basket:model=”metal square twin” > * condition=good/fair/poor > * waste_basket:defects=loose > * waste_basket:collection_days=mon/fri (or lcc:collection_days ?) > * lcc:id=1849 > * lcc:comments=”under city centre team management” > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Patrick > > *From: *Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, 25 March 2020 at 14:04 > *To: *Patrick Lake <patrick.l...@odileeds.org> > *Cc: *Jake Edmonds <jake_edmo...@me.com>, Talk-GB <Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps > > Hi Patrick, > > Shame LCC aren't 'dogfooding', ie using their own data, as it does encourage > people to take it seriously. I guess that your regular diffs will spot > discrepancies. I've had problems in the past with benches being removed (in > real life and on OSM) then reappearing because it was just the council > refurbing them. > > What do you propose tagging the LCC id as? Or would you like suggestions? > > - Jez > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, 11:00 Patrick Lake, <patrick.l...@odileeds.org> wrote: >> Hi Jake, >> >> No, LCC haven’t told us that they’ll use the data for those sort of >> purposes. It wasn’t part of the specification, and to our knowledge they >> won’t be reliant on it – obviously with it being open data they’re free to >> use it for whatever they would like, but we’ve made them aware that OSM can >> be edited and things can be deleted by users. >> >> We currently extract OSM data for different amenities West Yorkshire daily, >> including bins, and store it in a GitHub repo >> <https://github.com/odileeds/west-yorkshire-mapping/blob/master/data/leeds/leeds-amenities-waste_basket.geojson>. >> We plan to make a repo specifically for bin data – we’ll extract OSM data >> daily and compare it, updating the repo if necessary. This then means LCC, >> and others, will be able to look at the commit history to see what edits >> have been made across time, and revert them if necessary. We’re looking at >> using the GitHub API to integrate the commit history into the tool we’re >> building for LCC. >> >> To differentiate between council and business’ bins, we’ll just use a tag – >> we’ll confirm what this will be before uploading. Also, the existing data >> we’re bulk importing has a LCC ID which will be included as a tag. >> >> Cheers, >> Patrick >> *From: *Jake Edmonds <jake_edmo...@me.com> >> *Date: *Tuesday, 24 March 2020 at 12:47 >> *To: *Patrick Lake <patrick.l...@odileeds.org> >> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps >> >> Hi Patrick >> Are LCC staff planning to use the final dataset for various tasks, such as >> planning collection routes? >> >> I’m sure you have good answers for my questions but I’m just interested in a >> practical sense. >> >> What happens if a bin is accidentally/maliciously removed from OSM/moved? >> How are you planning to differentiate between LCC bins and bins provided by >> businesses? >> >> Thanks >> Jake >> >> >>> On 24 Mar 2020, at 13:40, Patrick Lake <patrick.l...@odileeds.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks for the feedback, that’s what we were hoping to hear. >>> >>> Silent Spike, in answer to your questions – we’ve been told by the council >>> that it is quite accurate, although with a dataset of 3000+ bins there is >>> likely to be minor mistakes. Visually, the locations look sensible, which >>> is reassuring. >>> >>> Here’s the method we planned to use: >>> * There is definitely some bins which are already on OSM, so to avoid >>> adding duplicates I took the locations of existing bins on OSM and the >>> dataset from Leeds council, and created a distance matrix. My thought was, >>> I would separate any bins in the LCC dataset which are less than 15 metres >>> away from the nearest bin already on OSM, as they’re potential duplicates. >>> I could then inspect these manually in JOSM and decide which ones to add >>> (if any) >>> * For the rest of the bins, we’ll convert the GeoJson to OSM format using >>> one of the tools listed here >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Converting_map_data_between_formats> >>> (probably osm-and-geojson <https://github.com/aaronlidman/osm-and-geojson> >>> as I’ve tested this). My colleague Stuart has a good knowledge of OSM so >>> he’s identified which tags we’ll use – I will post a list of these to get >>> feedback before we upload anything. >>> * I will use the bulk_upload.py tool >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bulk_upload.py> to upload the osm >>> file. This seemed like a good choice but please let me know if there’s a >>> better one. >>> >>> The whole process will be tested with the dev server first, just to be safe. >>> >>> Tony, thanks for the advice – I’ll have a look at the West Midlands stuff >>> yes. The verification tag & date seems like a really good idea too – we >>> hadn’t thought of that. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Patrick >>> >>> *From: *Tony OSM <tonyo...@gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, 24 March 2020 at 12:18 >>> *To: *"talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps >>> >>> Agree with Silent Spike. >>> This has a lot of similarities with NaPTAN bus stop imports - conflating >>> and verification/validation are the difficulties there - looking at the >>> West Midlands notes may help. >>> For Leeds with a workforce regularly checking/cleaning bins then perhaps >>> the tool you are planning to build could add a verification tag & date for >>> completion on the first visit after an upload. >>> TonyS999 >>> On 24/03/2020 12:02, Silent Spike wrote: >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> I think this seems like a well planned and researched proposal. Personally >>>> would be happy to see such an import - especially since you've already got >>>> buy-in from the council. >>>> >>>> Only really have two questions: >>>> - Has the accuracy of the council data been evaluated at all? I'm >>>> personally of the opinion that mostly accurate data is better than no data >>>> so this is more just a curiosity. >>>> - Could you specify those steps you'd be taking for conflation? I don't >>>> doubt the ability to do so (this seems like a very competent proposal), >>>> but just for transparency of the process. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:44 AM Patrick Lake <patrick.l...@odileeds.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> At ODI Leeds <https://odileeds.org/> we’re working with Leeds City >>>>> Council to create an up-to-date, open dataset of bins and recycling >>>>> points. Different parts of the council have different datasets about bins >>>>> and recycling points – e.g the bins around Leeds market are maintained by >>>>> a different department. Nobody has a full, exhaustive list of all of >>>>> them, so we’d like to get them all in one place. >>>>> >>>>> We think Open Street Maps would be perfect for this, as it’s ‘open by >>>>> default’. We’re building them a tool using the API & OAuth so that >>>>> council workers will be able to quickly add bins (amenity=waste_basket >>>>> and amenity=recycling) from their phones. We’d also like to add their >>>>> existing dataset >>>>> <https://datamillnorth.org/dataset/litter-bin-locations>, which is >>>>> published under OGLv3, to Open Street Maps. We have buy-in from Leeds >>>>> City Council but under the import guidelines >>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines> we also need >>>>> community buy-in, and we’d really like some feedback from the OSM >>>>> community. >>>>> >>>>> Here’s a quick map we made >>>>> <https://mapper.odileeds.org/?10/53.85050/-1.47903/datamill-38356ad9-a184-44c1-a4f0-055ac71356ec;osm-leeds-waste_basket> >>>>> comparing the Leeds City Council dataset of bins (yellow markers) to the >>>>> OSM amenity=waste_baskets for Leeds (black markers). We’re aware that >>>>> there is probably duplicates so we’ll be taking steps to remove those. >>>>> >>>>> We’d appreciate any comments or feedback. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Patrick Lake >>>>> >>>>> ODI Leeds >>>>> patrick.l...@odileeds.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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