Hi Patrick
There is also a key:waste for the kind of waste -
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste
Values used are - https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/waste#values
Regards
TonyS999
On 26/03/2020 10:10, Patrick Lake wrote:
Hi Jez,
I agree, we are going to encourage them to rely on OSM as their main
source of data in the future, but whether they’ll use it for essential
stuff like planning collection routes I don’t know. We (ODI Leeds),
however, *will* be relying on OSM data, as this is all part of a wider
project we’re doing for LCC involving analysis on how much waste is
collected from these bins and where the optimum location for
additional litter bins and recycling points would be. So we’re keen
for it to be accurate.
I thought of just tagging the LCC ID as lcc:id as I assume it will be
meaningless to anyone not from the council. Here’s the rest of the
tags we planned to use with examples from the data we’re importing
(obviously we can change these):
amenity=waste_basket
* waste_basket:model=”metal square twin”
* condition=good/fair/poor
* waste_basket:defects=loose
* waste_basket:collection_days=mon/fri (or lcc:collection_days ?)
* lcc:id=1849
* lcc:comments=”under city centre team management”
What do you think?
Cheers,
Patrick
*From: *Jez Nicholson <[email protected]>
*Date: *Wednesday, 25 March 2020 at 14:04
*To: *Patrick Lake <[email protected]>
*Cc: *Jake Edmonds <[email protected]>, Talk-GB
<[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps
Hi Patrick,
Shame LCC aren't 'dogfooding', ie using their own data, as it does
encourage people to take it seriously. I guess that your regular diffs
will spot discrepancies. I've had problems in the past with benches
being removed (in real life and on OSM) then reappearing because it
was just the council refurbing them.
What do you propose tagging the LCC id as? Or would you like suggestions?
- Jez
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, 11:00 Patrick Lake, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Jake,
No, LCC haven’t told us that they’ll use the data for those sort
of purposes. It wasn’t part of the specification, and to our
knowledge they won’t be reliant on it – obviously with it being
open data they’re free to use it for whatever they would like, but
we’ve made them aware that OSM can be edited and things can be
deleted by users.
We currently extract OSM data for different amenities West
Yorkshire daily, including bins, and store it in a GitHub repo
<https://github.com/odileeds/west-yorkshire-mapping/blob/master/data/leeds/leeds-amenities-waste_basket.geojson>.
We plan to make a repo specifically for bin data – we’ll extract
OSM data daily and compare it, updating the repo if necessary.
This then means LCC, and others, will be able to look at the
commit history to see what edits have been made across time, and
revert them if necessary. We’re looking at using the GitHub API to
integrate the commit history into the tool we’re building for LCC.
To differentiate between council and business’ bins, we’ll just
use a tag – we’ll confirm what this will be before uploading.
Also, the existing data we’re bulk importing has a LCC ID which
will be included as a tag.
Cheers,
Patrick
*From: *Jake Edmonds <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Date: *Tuesday, 24 March 2020 at 12:47
*To: *Patrick Lake <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps
Hi Patrick
Are LCC staff planning to use the final dataset for various tasks,
such as planning collection routes?
I’m sure you have good answers for my questions but I’m just
interested in a practical sense.
What happens if a bin is accidentally/maliciously removed from
OSM/moved?
How are you planning to differentiate between LCC bins and bins
provided by businesses?
Thanks
Jake
On 24 Mar 2020, at 13:40, Patrick Lake
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback, that’s what we were hoping to hear.
Silent Spike, in answer to your questions – we’ve been told by
the council that it is quite accurate, although with a dataset
of 3000+ bins there is likely to be minor mistakes. Visually,
the locations look sensible, which is reassuring.
Here’s the method we planned to use:
* There is definitely some bins which are already on OSM, so
to avoid adding duplicates I took the locations of
existing bins on OSM and the dataset from Leeds council,
and created a distance matrix. My thought was, I would
separate any bins in the LCC dataset which are less than
15 metres away from the nearest bin already on OSM, as
they’re potential duplicates. I could then inspect these
manually in JOSM and decide which ones to add (if any)
* For the rest of the bins, we’ll convert the GeoJson to OSM
format using one of the toolslisted here
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Converting_map_data_between_formats>(probablyosm-and-geojson
<https://github.com/aaronlidman/osm-and-geojson>as I’ve
tested this). My colleague Stuart has a good knowledge of
OSM so he’s identified which tags we’ll use – I will post
a list of these to get feedback before we upload anything.
* I will use thebulk_upload.py tool
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bulk_upload.py>to
upload the osm file. This seemed like a good choice but
please let me know if there’s a better one.
The whole process will be tested with the dev server first,
just to be safe.
Tony, thanks for the advice – I’ll have a look at the West
Midlands stuff yes. The verification tag & date seems like a
really good idea too – we hadn’t thought of that.
Cheers,
Patrick
*From:*Tony OSM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Date:*Tuesday, 24 March 2020 at 12:18
*To:*"[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:*Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps
Agree with Silent Spike.
This has a lot of similarities with NaPTAN bus stop imports -
conflating and verification/validation are the difficulties
there - looking at the West Midlands notes may help.
For Leeds with a workforce regularly checking/cleaning bins
then perhaps the tool you are planning to build could add a
verification tag & date for completion on the first visit
after an upload.
TonyS999
On 24/03/2020 12:02, Silent Spike wrote:
Hey,
I think this seems like a well planned and researched
proposal. Personally would be happy to see such an import
- especially since you've already got buy-in from the council.
Only really have two questions:
- Has the accuracy of the council data been evaluated at
all? I'm personally of the opinion that mostly accurate
data is better than no data so this is more just a curiosity.
- Could you specify those steps you'd be taking for
conflation? I don't doubt the ability to do so (this seems
like a very competent proposal), but just for
transparency of the process.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:44 AM Patrick Lake
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
AtODI Leeds <https://odileeds.org/>we’re working with
Leeds City Council to create an up-to-date, open
dataset of bins and recycling points. Different parts
of the council have different datasets about bins and
recycling points – e.g the bins around Leeds market
are maintained by a different department. Nobody has a
full, exhaustive list of all of them, so we’d like to
get them all in one place.
We think Open Street Maps would be perfect for this,
as it’s ‘open by default’. We’re building them a tool
using the API & OAuth so that council workers will be
able to quickly add bins (amenity=waste_basket and
amenity=recycling) from their phones. We’d also like
to addtheir existing dataset
<https://datamillnorth.org/dataset/litter-bin-locations>,
which is published under OGLv3, to Open Street Maps.
We have buy-in from Leeds City Council but under
theimport guidelines
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines>we
also need community buy-in, and we’d really like some
feedback from the OSM community.
Here’sa quick map we made
<https://mapper.odileeds.org/?10/53.85050/-1.47903/datamill-38356ad9-a184-44c1-a4f0-055ac71356ec;osm-leeds-waste_basket>comparing
the Leeds City Council dataset of bins (yellow
markers) to the OSM amenity=waste_baskets for Leeds
(black markers). We’re aware that there is probably
duplicates so we’ll be taking steps to remove those.
We’d appreciate any comments or feedback.
Cheers,
Patrick Lake
ODI Leeds
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