I can't see an easy way to do a 'twice per week' collection where the particular days aren't known. Messing about in the validator (https://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/ ) and looking at their examples (bottom of the screen) suggests that complex cases can be expressed as a text comment. Making this 'valid' appears to require a comment for both normal times and public holdidays, the latter prefixed by a PH.
So if you know it's tuesdays and thursdays: * collection_times=Mo; Fr If you know it's twice per week, even on public holidays: * collection_times="twice per week"; PH "twice per week" If you know it's twice per week, but not on public holidays: * collection_times="twice per week"; PH off If you know it's twice per week, but have no info on public hols, this might be the best compromise: * collection_times="twice per week" --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain [email protected] --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain [email protected] On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, at 10:43 AM, Patrick Lake wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Yes that seems like a better idea, hadn’t seen that, thanks. Most of the data > is in the format mon/tue/fri etc so could be changed into the syntax shown on > the wiki, but others just say “twice weekly” – can this just be left as-is or > not? As most of this data has been entered by hand it wouldn’t be the easiest > task to automate changing all 3000+ into a standard format. > > Patrick > > *From: *Ken Kilfedder <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, 26 March 2020 at 10:31 > *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps > > Hi Patrick, > > For the collection_days tag, it might be possible to use the same tagging > syntax as the collection_times for post-boxes and recycling bins. It's on the > wiki here- > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:collection_times > > You can add days or days with times. > > > --- > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain > [email protected] > > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, at 10:10 AM, Patrick Lake wrote: >> Hi Jez, >> >> I agree, we are going to encourage them to rely on OSM as their main source >> of data in the future, but whether they’ll use it for essential stuff like >> planning collection routes I don’t know. We (ODI Leeds), however, *will* be >> relying on OSM data, as this is all part of a wider project we’re doing for >> LCC involving analysis on how much waste is collected from these bins and >> where the optimum location for additional litter bins and recycling points >> would be. So we’re keen for it to be accurate. >> >> I thought of just tagging the LCC ID as lcc:id as I assume it will be >> meaningless to anyone not from the council. Here’s the rest of the tags we >> planned to use with examples from the data we’re importing (obviously we can >> change these): >> amenity=waste_basket >> * waste_basket:model=”metal square twin” >> * condition=good/fair/poor >> * waste_basket:defects=loose >> * waste_basket:collection_days=mon/fri (or lcc:collection_days ?) >> * lcc:id=1849 >> * lcc:comments=”under city centre team management” >> >> What do you think? >> >> Cheers, >> Patrick >> >> *From: *Jez Nicholson <[email protected]> >> *Date: *Wednesday, 25 March 2020 at 14:04 >> *To: *Patrick Lake <[email protected]> >> *Cc: *Jake Edmonds <[email protected]>, Talk-GB <[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps >> >> Hi Patrick, >> >> Shame LCC aren't 'dogfooding', ie using their own data, as it does encourage >> people to take it seriously. I guess that your regular diffs will spot >> discrepancies. I've had problems in the past with benches being removed (in >> real life and on OSM) then reappearing because it was just the council >> refurbing them. >> >> What do you propose tagging the LCC id as? Or would you like suggestions? >> >> - Jez >> >> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, 11:00 Patrick Lake, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Jake, >>> >>> No, LCC haven’t told us that they’ll use the data for those sort of >>> purposes. It wasn’t part of the specification, and to our knowledge they >>> won’t be reliant on it – obviously with it being open data they’re free to >>> use it for whatever they would like, but we’ve made them aware that OSM can >>> be edited and things can be deleted by users. >>> >>> We currently extract OSM data for different amenities West Yorkshire daily, >>> including bins, and store it in a GitHub repo >>> <https://github.com/odileeds/west-yorkshire-mapping/blob/master/data/leeds/leeds-amenities-waste_basket.geojson>. >>> We plan to make a repo specifically for bin data – we’ll extract OSM data >>> daily and compare it, updating the repo if necessary. This then means LCC, >>> and others, will be able to look at the commit history to see what edits >>> have been made across time, and revert them if necessary. We’re looking at >>> using the GitHub API to integrate the commit history into the tool we’re >>> building for LCC. >>> >>> To differentiate between council and business’ bins, we’ll just use a tag – >>> we’ll confirm what this will be before uploading. Also, the existing data >>> we’re bulk importing has a LCC ID which will be included as a tag. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Patrick >>> *From: *Jake Edmonds <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, 24 March 2020 at 12:47 >>> *To: *Patrick Lake <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps >>> >>> Hi Patrick >>> Are LCC staff planning to use the final dataset for various tasks, such as >>> planning collection routes? >>> >>> I’m sure you have good answers for my questions but I’m just interested in >>> a practical sense. >>> >>> What happens if a bin is accidentally/maliciously removed from OSM/moved? >>> How are you planning to differentiate between LCC bins and bins provided by >>> businesses? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jake >>> >>> >>>> On 24 Mar 2020, at 13:40, Patrick Lake <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the feedback, that’s what we were hoping to hear. >>>> >>>> Silent Spike, in answer to your questions – we’ve been told by the council >>>> that it is quite accurate, although with a dataset of 3000+ bins there is >>>> likely to be minor mistakes. Visually, the locations look sensible, which >>>> is reassuring. >>>> >>>> Here’s the method we planned to use: >>>> * There is definitely some bins which are already on OSM, so to avoid >>>> adding duplicates I took the locations of existing bins on OSM and the >>>> dataset from Leeds council, and created a distance matrix. My thought was, >>>> I would separate any bins in the LCC dataset which are less than 15 metres >>>> away from the nearest bin already on OSM, as they’re potential duplicates. >>>> I could then inspect these manually in JOSM and decide which ones to add >>>> (if any) >>>> * For the rest of the bins, we’ll convert the GeoJson to OSM format using >>>> one of the tools listed here >>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Converting_map_data_between_formats> >>>> (probably osm-and-geojson <https://github.com/aaronlidman/osm-and-geojson> >>>> as I’ve tested this). My colleague Stuart has a good knowledge of OSM so >>>> he’s identified which tags we’ll use – I will post a list of these to get >>>> feedback before we upload anything. >>>> * I will use the bulk_upload.py tool >>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bulk_upload.py> to upload the osm >>>> file. This seemed like a good choice but please let me know if there’s a >>>> better one. >>>> >>>> The whole process will be tested with the dev server first, just to be >>>> safe. >>>> >>>> Tony, thanks for the advice – I’ll have a look at the West Midlands stuff >>>> yes. The verification tag & date seems like a really good idea too – we >>>> hadn’t thought of that. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> *From:** *Tony OSM <[email protected]> >>>> *Date:** *Tuesday, 24 March 2020 at 12:18 >>>> *To:** *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:** *Re: [Talk-GB] Adding Leeds Bins to OpenStreetMaps >>>> >>>> Agree with Silent Spike. >>>> This has a lot of similarities with NaPTAN bus stop imports - conflating >>>> and verification/validation are the difficulties there - looking at the >>>> West Midlands notes may help. >>>> For Leeds with a workforce regularly checking/cleaning bins then perhaps >>>> the tool you are planning to build could add a verification tag & date for >>>> completion on the first visit after an upload. >>>> TonyS999 >>>> On 24/03/2020 12:02, Silent Spike wrote: >>>>> Hey, >>>>> >>>>> I think this seems like a well planned and researched proposal. >>>>> Personally would be happy to see such an import - especially since you've >>>>> already got buy-in from the council. >>>>> >>>>> Only really have two questions: >>>>> - Has the accuracy of the council data been evaluated at all? I'm >>>>> personally of the opinion that mostly accurate data is better than no >>>>> data so this is more just a curiosity. >>>>> - Could you specify those steps you'd be taking for conflation? I don't >>>>> doubt the ability to do so (this seems like a very competent proposal), >>>>> but just for transparency of the process. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:44 AM Patrick Lake <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> At ODI Leeds <https://odileeds.org/> we’re working with Leeds City >>>>>> Council to create an up-to-date, open dataset of bins and recycling >>>>>> points. Different parts of the council have different datasets about >>>>>> bins and recycling points – e.g the bins around Leeds market are >>>>>> maintained by a different department. Nobody has a full, exhaustive list >>>>>> of all of them, so we’d like to get them all in one place. >>>>>> >>>>>> We think Open Street Maps would be perfect for this, as it’s ‘open by >>>>>> default’. We’re building them a tool using the API & OAuth so that >>>>>> council workers will be able to quickly add bins (amenity=waste_basket >>>>>> and amenity=recycling) from their phones. We’d also like to add their >>>>>> existing dataset >>>>>> <https://datamillnorth.org/dataset/litter-bin-locations>, which is >>>>>> published under OGLv3, to Open Street Maps. We have buy-in from Leeds >>>>>> City Council but under the import guidelines >>>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines> we also need >>>>>> community buy-in, and we’d really like some feedback from the OSM >>>>>> community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here’s a quick map we made >>>>>> <https://mapper.odileeds.org/?10/53.85050/-1.47903/datamill-38356ad9-a184-44c1-a4f0-055ac71356ec;osm-leeds-waste_basket> >>>>>> comparing the Leeds City Council dataset of bins (yellow markers) to >>>>>> the OSM amenity=waste_baskets for Leeds (black markers). We’re aware >>>>>> that there is probably duplicates so we’ll be taking steps to remove >>>>>> those. >>>>>> >>>>>> We’d appreciate any comments or feedback. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Patrick Lake >>>>>> >>>>>> ODI Leeds >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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