Some time back, I did some quick research on how we officially recorded the names of places in India, might be an interesting read: https://gist.github.com/planemad/decdf608776726de1007
Related projects that could help expand language coverage in India is attempting latin to indic language and cross indic language transliterations: - https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/tree/master/rules - http://libindic.org On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Arun Ganesh <[email protected]> wrote: > Its surprising we all agree that using the latin script as default for > local names throughout the country is most usable. Wish we had more > perspectives from rural users of the map, but I guess at the moment we have > not reached there. > > This issue would come up again if that happens and local scripts are used > for the default over latin, something similar is already happening in > Bangladesh http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/23.1262/89.1843 > > For now, I guess lets freeze on the latin alphabet as default for all > urban areas of the map. To sum up: > > - The default `name` of a feature is that name and spelling that is > recognized by the local public, preferably recorded in the latin script for > data consistency throughout the country. Use a localized script only if > there is no recognized latin spelling for the name > - The localized spellings and scripts should be added in the corresponding > `name:lang` tags > - Due to complications arising over the ordering of multiple languages and > scripts in a label, no `name` tag should contain more than one variation of > the name, use a different tag for each variation > > If no major corrections, I can add it to the wiki this week and we can > make changes there. > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Arun Ganesh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Moved some old instructions for setting up a tileserver that Johnson >> wrote to https://github.com/osm-in/tileserver >> >> Anyone interested in setting up a custom tileserver with Indic language >> rendering, please feel free to expand. >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Chetan H A <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I totally agree to follow current convention we have now. Multilingual >>> names can't be supported in India. We have 22 official languages in India >>> and If every language names were added with English names will clutter the >>> map. It's good to add separately using " name:lang=* " tag. >>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A >>> >>> Best, >>> Chethan >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Arun Ganesh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Not having map tiles available for the various languages is definitely >>>> a problem, which motivates one to tag in such a way just so that the local >>>> name is visible. Efforts to create an Indic language tileserver have not >>>> really taken off, and probably this is what we should reconsider with more >>>> seriousness. >>>> >>>> Experiments so far: >>>> - http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html >>>> <http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525> which is a >>>> little futuristic but very flexible for as many languages as possible. One >>>> blocker is that complex text shaping to render Indic scripts correctly is >>>> unknown when this will happen >>>> https://github.com/osm-in/openstreetmap.in/issues/14#issuecomment-193619651 >>>> - http://mlm.jochentopf.com looks like a good experiment worth >>>> replicating, but there are not much details on how it was done >>>> - http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/ World Kannada map made by >>>> Yogesh. At the moment probably the most practical approach. >>>> >>>> If we have a regularly updated working demo of Indic language tiles for >>>> the major languages, this could better demonstrate the practical >>>> application of using the name tags correctly. Anyone have other experiments >>>> to share? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Yogesh K S <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I too agree with keeping the current convention of name tags for >>>>> multilingual names. Belgium has just two languages and in context of our >>>>> regional languages, first mapper rule can create conflicts as Arun >>>>> indicated previously. Perhaps we should try to improve the current state >>>>> of >>>>> multilingual names in India - >>>>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> yogi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07/05/2016 06:19 PM, I Chengappa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It would help greatly if mappers could see names in other languages on >>>>> a rendered map. I see that the demo, for instance at >>>>> http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525 is still just >>>>> a demo. >>>>> >>>>> On 5 July 2016 at 07:19, Srravya C <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Found a little more about this topic in a discussion here >>>>>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_India#Use_English_for_the_.22name.22_tag>. >>>>>> We could put the details about multilingual naming for India in this >>>>>> page <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names>. So >>>>>> that anybody referring to this page in the future for naming convention, >>>>>> will get an idea about existing conventions followed for India. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Thejesh GN < <[email protected]> >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the existing convention works really well. Use name tag for >>>>>>> latin script and specific language tag for that language names. I think >>>>>>> this makes it easy to work and also divide work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2016 11:34 PM, "Arun Ganesh" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bringing this up since there are recent edits adding multilingual >>>>>>>> labels to the `name` tag [1][2]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The current convention that has been followed is to use `name` for >>>>>>>> the local name in latin script. The reasoning if I remember was two >>>>>>>> fold: >>>>>>>> - English being one of the official languages, latin script is >>>>>>>> widely used in cities and in public signages in smaller towns. Only in >>>>>>>> villages it is uncommon. >>>>>>>> - Keeping the tagging convention simple[3], that could be used >>>>>>>> throughout the country in a standard way >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keeping just one name in each tag, we have been able to avoid >>>>>>>> issues like the first mapper rule[4] that could cause unnecessary >>>>>>>> regional >>>>>>>> conflicts over ordering of scripts like in Belgium (and they have just >>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>> languages). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since we can add the regional names in their own name:lang tag, no >>>>>>>> data is ultimately lost, and it is upto the data consumer to choose >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> language to support for the user. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would be great to hear positives and negatives of this approach and >>>>>>>> how it benefits the public Is it time to revise this convention to be >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> regional rather than national? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40472998 >>>>>>>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40479683 >>>>>>>> [3] >>>>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_India#Naming_in_different_scripts_and_languages >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Arun Ganesh >>>>>>>> @planemad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-in mailing >>>>> [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arun Ganesh >>>> @planemad >>>> <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-in mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arun Ganesh >> @planemad >> <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh> >> > > > > -- > Arun Ganesh > @planemad > <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh> > -- Arun Ganesh @planemad <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh>
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