Interesting discussion. Currently it seems the name tag by default may not be English in some places (in India) and the name:en tag may not exist.
eg: http://home.braddock.com:28112/osm/slippymap.html The ordering of labels was COALESCE(tags->'name:en', tags->'name:hi', tags->'int_name', name) So, in some cases name:en doesn't seem to exist (or maybe I'm wrong?) On 7/21/16, Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some time back, I did some quick research on how we officially recorded the > names of places in India, might be an interesting read: > https://gist.github.com/planemad/decdf608776726de1007 > > Related projects that could help expand language coverage in India is > attempting latin to indic language and cross indic language > transliterations: > - https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/tree/master/rules > - http://libindic.org > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Its surprising we all agree that using the latin script as default for >> local names throughout the country is most usable. Wish we had more >> perspectives from rural users of the map, but I guess at the moment we >> have >> not reached there. >> >> This issue would come up again if that happens and local scripts are used >> for the default over latin, something similar is already happening in >> Bangladesh http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/23.1262/89.1843 >> >> For now, I guess lets freeze on the latin alphabet as default for all >> urban areas of the map. To sum up: >> >> - The default `name` of a feature is that name and spelling that is >> recognized by the local public, preferably recorded in the latin script >> for >> data consistency throughout the country. Use a localized script only if >> there is no recognized latin spelling for the name >> - The localized spellings and scripts should be added in the >> corresponding >> `name:lang` tags >> - Due to complications arising over the ordering of multiple languages >> and >> scripts in a label, no `name` tag should contain more than one variation >> of >> the name, use a different tag for each variation >> >> If no major corrections, I can add it to the wiki this week and we can >> make changes there. >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Moved some old instructions for setting up a tileserver that Johnson >>> wrote to https://github.com/osm-in/tileserver >>> >>> Anyone interested in setting up a custom tileserver with Indic language >>> rendering, please feel free to expand. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Chetan H A <chetanh...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I totally agree to follow current convention we have now. Multilingual >>>> names can't be supported in India. We have 22 official languages in >>>> India >>>> and If every language names were added with English names will clutter >>>> the >>>> map. It's good to add separately using " name:lang=* " tag. >>>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Chethan >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Not having map tiles available for the various languages is definitely >>>>> a problem, which motivates one to tag in such a way just so that the >>>>> local >>>>> name is visible. Efforts to create an Indic language tileserver have >>>>> not >>>>> really taken off, and probably this is what we should reconsider with >>>>> more >>>>> seriousness. >>>>> >>>>> Experiments so far: >>>>> - http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html >>>>> <http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525> which is a >>>>> little futuristic but very flexible for as many languages as possible. >>>>> One >>>>> blocker is that complex text shaping to render Indic scripts correctly >>>>> is >>>>> unknown when this will happen >>>>> https://github.com/osm-in/openstreetmap.in/issues/14#issuecomment-193619651 >>>>> - http://mlm.jochentopf.com looks like a good experiment worth >>>>> replicating, but there are not much details on how it was done >>>>> - http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/ World Kannada map made by >>>>> Yogesh. At the moment probably the most practical approach. >>>>> >>>>> If we have a regularly updated working demo of Indic language tiles >>>>> for >>>>> the major languages, this could better demonstrate the practical >>>>> application of using the name tags correctly. Anyone have other >>>>> experiments >>>>> to share? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Yogesh K S <yog...@itforchange.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I too agree with keeping the current convention of name tags for >>>>>> multilingual names. Belgium has just two languages and in context of >>>>>> our >>>>>> regional languages, first mapper rule can create conflicts as Arun >>>>>> indicated previously. Perhaps we should try to improve the current >>>>>> state of >>>>>> multilingual names in India - >>>>>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> yogi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 07/05/2016 06:19 PM, I Chengappa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It would help greatly if mappers could see names in other languages >>>>>> on >>>>>> a rendered map. I see that the demo, for instance at >>>>>> http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525 is still just >>>>>> a demo. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5 July 2016 at 07:19, Srravya C <srravy...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Found a little more about this topic in a discussion here >>>>>>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_India#Use_English_for_the_.22name.22_tag>. >>>>>>> We could put the details about multilingual naming for India in this >>>>>>> page <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names>. So >>>>>>> that anybody referring to this page in the future for naming >>>>>>> convention, >>>>>>> will get an idea about existing conventions followed for India. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Thejesh GN < <i...@thejeshgn.com> >>>>>>> i...@thejeshgn.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the existing convention works really well. Use name tag for >>>>>>>> latin script and specific language tag for that language names. I >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> this makes it easy to work and also divide work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2016 11:34 PM, "Arun Ganesh" <arun.plane...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bringing this up since there are recent edits adding multilingual >>>>>>>>> labels to the `name` tag [1][2]. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The current convention that has been followed is to use `name` for >>>>>>>>> the local name in latin script. The reasoning if I remember was two >>>>>>>>> fold: >>>>>>>>> - English being one of the official languages, latin script is >>>>>>>>> widely used in cities and in public signages in smaller towns. Only >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> villages it is uncommon. >>>>>>>>> - Keeping the tagging convention simple[3], that could be used >>>>>>>>> throughout the country in a standard way >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keeping just one name in each tag, we have been able to avoid >>>>>>>>> issues like the first mapper rule[4] that could cause unnecessary >>>>>>>>> regional >>>>>>>>> conflicts over ordering of scripts like in Belgium (and they have >>>>>>>>> just two >>>>>>>>> languages). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since we can add the regional names in their own name:lang tag, no >>>>>>>>> data is ultimately lost, and it is upto the data consumer to choose >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> language to support for the user. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would be great to hear positives and negatives of this approach >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> how it benefits the public Is it time to revise this convention to >>>>>>>>> be more >>>>>>>>> regional rather than national? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40472998 >>>>>>>>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40479683 >>>>>>>>> [3] >>>>>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_India#Naming_in_different_scripts_and_languages >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Arun Ganesh >>>>>>>>> @planemad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>>>>>> Talk-in@openstreetmap.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>>>>> Talk-in@openstreetmap.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>>>> Talk-in@openstreetmap.org >>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-in mailing >>>>>> listTalk-in@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>>> Talk-in@openstreetmap.org >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arun Ganesh >>>>> @planemad >>>>> <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>>> Talk-in@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-in mailing list >>>> Talk-in@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arun Ganesh >>> @planemad >>> <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Arun Ganesh >> @planemad >> <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh> >> > > > > -- > Arun Ganesh > @planemad > <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh> > -- Anish _______________________________________________ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
