I've updated the wiki. I think the tone is good, very directed to the reader, as in "OSM needs you !" Surely it will bring a reaction on the reader :-)
I'm ok too with the word open-source, some other word need probably a bit more thinking, for example the word "notas" looks too much as a translation from english (I think as something like "apontamentos"). There's another "big mistake" in the text : Em www.openstreetmap.pt encontrarás a entrada para a comunidade Portuguesa e ligações para fóruns e listas de correio electrónico. The openstreetmap.pt domain have been reserved, there is a wordpress running but it seems nobody touch it recently, actually is not very useful. If we want to keep it in the leaflet, it's best to do something on the website (to the people who has the key of the website, feel free to ask for help on this list ;-). And we have no forum, just the mailing list (and an IRC channel which nobody have heard of it :-). Francisco ----- Mail original ----- De: "Mauro Santos" <registo.maill...@gmail.com> À: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Samedi 26 Octobre 2013 00:28:25 Objet: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!) On 25-10-2013 22:57, Matthias Meisser wrote: > Am 25.10.2013 19:35, schrieb Mauro Santos: >> The translation looks good. > >> I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a >> zona/. > > Obrigado! > > >> The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to >> explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a >> way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are >> friends). > >> What I mean is, "Podes encontrar o web..." is similar to "Tu podes >> encontrar o web...", using "Tu" is not polite if you don't know >> the other person. Personally I prefer to see "Pode encontrar o >> web...". > >> I suppose that teenagers don't care about how it's written but >> someone the age of their parents (or older) might not like it, I'd >> say that the flyer should try not to give a bad first impression. > > I guess this was mixed as english just knows 'you' (you boy vs. you > sir), so I think Miguel just choose what sounds reasonable to him. > A more serious tone would b appreciated IMHO and is used in DE > edition, too. > > >> Finally, where it says open-source software, does it mean open >> source or free software[1]? > >> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#open-source > > Wow, I guess this is getting political ;) I made just the translation > an DE also used "open source" that is IMHO more a buzzword to > non-geeks than "free software". As the topic of the flyer is free > mapping, we IMHO should avoid to get to close into details, but maybe > you prefer using a different term for FLOSS? > My idea was not to make it a political discussion but I agree that it might have come across looking like that. My idea was to be accurate/correct because ... we should/can be :p I do have to agree that for the general audience "open source" will be easier to recognize and identify with than "free software". > Matthias > > >> On 25-10-2013 18:36, Matthias Meisser wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first >>> translation in Portuguese: >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer >>> >>> So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new >>> paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. >>> >>> Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias >>> >>> Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: >>>> Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : >>> >>>> http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ >>> >>>> I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but >>>> didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) >>> >>>> I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom >>>> and Porto with the high zoom. >>> >>>> Francisco. >>> >>>> ----- Mail original ----- From: "Matthias Meisser" >>>> <dig...@arcor.de> To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: >>>> 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? >>> >>>> Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: >>>>> I've not replied because I don't know ;-) >>> >>>> Não tem problema ;) >>> >>> >>>>> All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the >>>>> OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I >>>>> hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good >>>>> idea to have one. >>> >>>>> They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping >>>>> events (but it's down) : >>> >>>>> http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal >>> >>>>> Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get >>>>> an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list >>>>> for a larger audience : >>> >>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ >>> >>>>> Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community >>>>> so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing >>>>> partners. >>> >>> >>>> I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that >>>> the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing >>>> if we finished the localisation. >>> >>>> I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with >>>> replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo >>>> 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create >>>> a *high res map rendering* for the flyer. >>> >>>> So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the >>>> flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one >>>> what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer they use the city >>>> Münster with low zoom and Berlin for the bigger area. Hmm so >>>> use Lisboa and Porto? >>> >>>> Matthias >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> ----- Mail original ----- From: "Matthias Meisser" >>>>> <dig...@arcor.de> To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: >>>>> 21/10/2013 20:38:19 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? >>> >>>>> As nobody replyed, I like to ask more specific: >>> >>>>> Woul it be ok to you, if *I ask some locals* to create >>>>> portueuse translation of the official flyer? >>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2010_thumb.png >>>>> (I think I will use the more recent version, but sadly its >>>>> just in DE >>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2011_german.jpg) >>> >>>>> >>>>> > For *printing* a few thousands that can be spread to local >>>>> mappers, will there be a organization that likes to sponsor >>>>> and get's a attribution on the flyer? I would replace the >>>>> german book with the english edition, ok? >>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Books#OpenStreetMap:_Using_and_Enhancing_the_Free_Map_of_the_World >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> > Should I ask OSMF or do you know any local sponsor or at least a >>>>> Portuguese online service to order the prints? >>> >>>>> I will try to create another A5 flyer dedicated to the use of >>>>> the "notes" function, that allows locals to easily contribute >>>>> more details. IMHO this makes sense, as if they see some >>>>> empty buildings, they might remember about local POIs? >>> >>>>> Matthias >>> >>> >>>>> Am 16.09.2013 18:14, schrieb Matthias Meisser: >>>>>> Hi everybody, >>> >>>>>> as I nearly finished tracing Bing aerials the past weeks, I >>>>>> like to start with on-the-ground survey which will be photo >>>>>> and pen&paper mapping: >>>>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/38.7222/-9.1230&layers=N >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > As I'm not looking like a usual Portuguese guy and I can't make >>>>>> me understandable in the language, I would like to have >>>>>> something like a flyer, so people can understand what I'm >>>>>> doing. In Germany there is one [1] and it helped me >>>>>> already, because Germans care a lot about their privacy >>>>>> (and property ;)). So can anybody tell me, if the >>>>>> portuguese community has similar "documents" to show their >>>>>> mission to the residents? >>> >>>>>> 1 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Flyers_and_posters >>> >>>>>> Greetings from Lisboa, Matthias >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ Talk-pt >>>>>> mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt >>> >>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ Talk-pt >>>>> mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ Talk-pt >>>>> mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt >>> >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Talk-pt mailing >>>> list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Talk-pt mailing >>>> list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Talk-pt mailing >>> list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-pt mailing list > Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt > -- Mauro Santos _______________________________________________ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt _______________________________________________ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
