Am 11.01.2011 10:40, schrieb Jo:
For the record: I prefer to have one relation for each direction of
the bus route, as this allows to indicate 'exactly' where the buses pass.
Has OpenStreetMap turned into a timetable, or is it still intended to be
a map?
We are not mapping merely for the ability to draw a map of the bus
routes,
Did I miss the moment when it was decided?
but also to allow PT routing eventually.
Have you look into the complexity of the problem? Seriously, are you
aware what is behind a typical bus timetable program? I know Hafas from
the inside, I have seen the timetable data. What you see inside is WAY
more complicated than what you see at the bus stop. Granted, Germans
tend to complicate things beyond necessity, but even in an American
version buses make detours, e.g. off peak hours, and often such runs are
not on the map because they are not regular lines/runs *). To be able to
put everything on the map would be practically beyond our abilities at
the moment, and it would require another layer. *I am not at all
discouraging the development of a layer with a timetable*, surely this
is a beautiful idea, but please people reassure me that you know what
you're getting us into.
*) that is my rule: if bus doesn't pass at least four times a day in the
country, and more often in the city, it is not a regular line, therefore
not on the map, as there is no use for John Doe with a GPS.
Thus for now - and in my opinion it will be quite a long "now" before
the timetable layer is anywhere near completion - I vote for something
far simpler than yet another oxomoa. Something that will allow future
expansion. Yes, it's difficult, but we aren't stupid. I have already
written how I see it, but you people are blind set on this new standard
like there is no alternative. And pardon me, unlike certain other users,
I am not promoting "my" ideas just because I used them for a long time,
but I have thought of the efficiency as well.
BTW I have entered some thousands of bus stops, and if I was to follow
the new schema (and I should, after all it's a proposed standard, and
I'm not an anarchist), I assume it would take 2 to 4 times as much time.
Let me make my point clear: a standard is needed. But if we develop a
new standard, let it also meet the following qualities (next to "clarity
of data"):
*ease of use,
*efficiency,
*sensible learning curve.
Greetings,
--
Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia,
Michał Borsuk
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