The reason you don't get it is because you are not listening. Nobody has said
the motorway tagging should continue through the intersection. The debate is
entirely about where the classification change takes place. There are several
instances in Arkansas where a motorway ends similarly. In AHTD's highway log,
they cease to be a motorway wherever legal access control or the character of
the road changes. Sometimes they do make the demarcation at an interchange
(usually at the point where the intersecting roadway crosses) when the
continuation is a short distance.
Given Arkansas law, the state's view is nearly always easily seen from speed
limit signs thanks to very specific per se speed limits based on highway
classification. Sadly (for this particular discussion), Oklahoma doesn't,
though speed limit changes do often accompany clear changes in roadway
classification.
The overall point being that there are in fact times when classification
changes at a place other than an interchange.
It's been many years, but I recall there being a speed limit reduction
northbound coming down the hill to the intersection in question. And again, I
fail to see how adding an intersection magically changed the 3/4 of a mile
between Apache and where the median disappears to accommodate the Gilcrease
intersection. (I incorrectly called the extension past the Tisdale Apache in a
previous message. I forget the actual name, west of the Tisdale, but it has one
that is not Gilcrease)
It would be nice if you would stop acting as if there is no room for reasonable
people to have differing opinions on this since even various state governments
have differing opinions on the matter. It's mildly rude to pretend that yours
is the only logical possibility, especially when several people have considered
your argument and still don't agree.
All that said, at the moment you're the only person currently local to the
instant case, so given the guideline that encourages us to defer to local
mappers if their edits aren't broken in some technical way or obviously depart
from reality, you're more than welcome to tag it the way you did if you like.
Still, it was a change from what another local had tagged originally. The TIGER
import became irrelevant in relation to this discussion when someone took the
time to add the other carriageway. This isn't a situation where the edit in
question was being made to a way that was created by the TIGER import and not
touched by anybody except a few bots since, so the norms surrounding that
scenario aren't applicable.
-Nathan
On December 2, 2018 5:03:31 PM EST, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>The commonly accepted definition of freeways in the US excludes surface
>junctions, whereas expressways (trunks) does include intersections. I
>honestly am surprised a group of roadgeeks isn't more attuned to this
>distinction.
>
>On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 3:15 PM Adam Franco <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 1:36 AM Paul Johnson <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bryan Housel <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do understand your point, but a dozen or so people on talk-us and
>the
>>>> six or so people on that changeset 64919426
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, 1 person, an AA roads troll and like 5 sockpuppets. There's
>also a
>>> number of people in this thread that do agree with me.
>>>
>>>
>>>> discussion all disagree with you. Is there nothing that would make
>you
>>>> reconsider?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Get the commonly used definition of a freeway changed to include
>>> intersections. Good luck!
>>>
>>
>> Since you are asking for more declaration of support/opposition, I'm
>a
>> relatively disinterested-in-motorways mapper that has been following
>along
>> with this thread. Paul, I think your read of a motorway definition is
>> overly rigid and I agree with Richie, Bryan, and the others that a
>motorway
>> classification may continue beyond the last interchange.
>>
>> If one is traveling past the last interchange one may be traveling in
>a
>> "motorway zone" where high speeds, grade separation of crossing
>roads, dual
>> carriageway, etc all continue to exist. As Richie pointed out, there
>will
>> be some place where "caution freeway ends", "intersection ahead" or
>slowing
>> speed limit signage indicates a transition out of the motorway zone
>to
>> something else. That seems like a vastly more appropriate place to
>change
>> the tagging from motorway to trunk/primary. Choosing the point of the
>last
>> interchange doesn't make sense as there may be many miles on both
>sides of
>> the last interchange where the roadway is functionally the same --
>where
>> standing and looking at the road it shows all of the characteristics
>of a
>> motorway. It is confusing to think that an at-grade intersection far
>over
>> the horizon would force a long final segment of road to change
>> classification.
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