thats a point actually my brother uses google maps all the time. At 05:33 a.m. 3/03/2010, you wrote: >Has anyone approached loadstone about adding the googlemaps/earth api's? >street view and directions are availible in many countrys. you add the >loadstone user POIS to the google maps api and poi's and you actually have >something going. google maps is the best source for free maps. if people dont >want to pay mobile geo prices then implement google maps in to something like >loadstone or build a completely open source cross platform app in either >python or java and talk to the appropriate screen reader API's. > > >On 3/2/2010 8:27 AM, Brandon Hicks wrote: >>Not to mention most of those people aren't in countries Vodaphone serve. So >>there's another lack of insentive. Now if you had 700 blinks who were going >>to break contracts with them over it they might think again but as it is >>that's not going to happen. Vodaphone have nothing to gain and everything to >>lose by doing something about this, but the blinks feel entitled. Instead of >>putting the tallent to work for Loadstone they're just bitching. Typical. >> >>Brandon >> >>Doug Langley wrote: >>>Also, the WFA concept of free life time upgrades also put a nail in its >>>coffin. Wheres the insentive for Vodaphone to develop a program which wont >>>bring them any sort of positive cash flow? This is a gps program and it >>>needs updated data on a regular basis and wheres the insentive for vodaphone >>>to do *anything* that wont bring them at least the ability to break even? >>>First and formost its about money and 777 blind people that signed a >>>petition who arent obligated (by the license agreement) to ever give them >>>another penny arent going to be insentive enough to do anything about it. >>> >>> >>>On 3/2/2010 7:03 AM, Doug Langley wrote: >>>>I'm glad to see someone else with a brain. No one ever takes these internet >>>>petitions seriously. I signed it but only because it can only help more >>>>than hurt. That being said, if people spent as much time working on a new >>>>solution instead of trying to save an old dieing one we would probably all >>>>be better off. This is vodaphone. they hear from more people in a single >>>>hour than they will in this hole petition. And all this petition is doing >>>>is asking for a reason why. so we can spend 3 months getting 778 signatures >>>>so they can say, "because it didnt make business sense." Thank you for >>>>contacting vodaphone we hope we can service you in the future. >>>> >>>>On 3/2/2010 6:57 AM, Amanda Rush wrote: >>>>>K this is a record. I was turned off by about the second line of this >>>>>guy's message. I totally get being angry about accessibility or the lack >>>>>thereof, but begging for signatures is like begging for charity. Neither >>>>>one works very well, and getting angry with the people you're trying to >>>>>get signatures/charity from isn't a good thing either. Also, IMO, (and >>>>>it's probably only my opinion, and we know what those are like, but this >>>>>is the crux of the entire accessibility fight), companies like this one >>>>>and every other one ignore these sorts of petitions because, even if every >>>>>single blind user were to call their bluff, we're not a big enough of >>>>>their market to matter as far as sales or whatever. And in the case of the >>>>>FS petition, we can all bitch and whine till we're out of breath, but the >>>>>fact is that 90% of their clientel is government contracts. So they can >>>>>pretty much do whatever, and the other AT companies will eventually go >>>>>along or go out of business, and so there's no real insentive for FS to do >>>>>anything positive. Note: I'm not a huge FS fan. At all. So I hope no one >>>>>takes this as rooting for them. >>>>> >>>>>And wow, DJ Patty, haven't heard from you in *ages. I was wondering what >>>>>had happened to you. Good to see you're still around. >>>>> >>>>>Amanda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dj >>>>>Paddy >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 17:35 >>>>>To: talk2 >>>>>Subject: RE: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest >>>>> >>>>>Guys just displaying understandable anger over loss of access. >>>>> >>>>>Barry >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>Brandon Hicks >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM >>>>>To: talk2 >>>>>Subject: Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest >>>>> >>>>>Agreed. This message speaks of childish tantrums. Even the Freedom >>>>>Scientific petition didn't get much over a thousand signatures, if even >>>>>that. This one's not going to get much more. I thought about it until I >>>>>got to about the third line of the message. >>>>> >>>>>Brandon >>>>> >>>>>Stephen Clower wrote: >>>>>>So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get >>>>>>them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the >>>>>>author's attitude, despite his good intentions. >>>>>> >>>>>>Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: >>>>>>>I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the >>>>>>>content of this message speak for itself? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav<[email protected]> >>>>>>>on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have >>>>>>>>not signed >>>>>>>>the WFA user protest site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Before I start my message the link right here and now is >>>>>>>>www.talknav.com/protest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have >>>>>>>>to at >>>>>>>>this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We >>>>>are >>>>>>>>nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need >>>>>thousands. >>>>>>>>To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the >>>>>>>>application signing, let alone additional support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the >>>>>>>>organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you >>>>>>>>lot, those >>>>>>>>of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have >>>>>>>>made me >>>>>>>>rather upset and irritated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites >>>>>>>>informing you >>>>>>>>all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more >>>>>>>>detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our >>>>>>>>favour, >>>>>>>>have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of >>>>>>>>competence >>>>>>>>when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This >>>>>>>>individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your >>>>>>>>local >>>>>>>>blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, >>>>>>>>am very, >>>>>>>>very disappointed in you all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if >>>>>>>>you do not >>>>>>>>own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the >>>>>>>>list >>>>>>>>says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind >>>>>>>>folks, it >>>>>>>>says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to >>>>>>>>freedom >>>>>>>>and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are >>>>>>>>prepared >>>>>>>>to use it when necessary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a >>>>>>>>symbol, now >>>>>>>>please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it >>>>>>>>sharing, >>>>>>>>Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, >>>>>>>>mailing lists >>>>>>>>etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights >>>>>to >>>>>>>>accessible products then make your mark. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in >>>>>>>>support of >>>>>>>>our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, >>>>>>>>personalize it >>>>>>>>with a few lines of message, get the word out there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the public >>>>>>>>signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. >>>>>>>>To date >>>>>>>>we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign >>>>>up. >>>>>>>>Spread the word folks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>www.talknav.com/protest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Neil Barnfather. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>Access mailing list >>>>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>>>http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>>>>>eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you miss a message? 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