On 3/2/2010 8:27 AM, Brandon Hicks wrote:
Not to mention most of those people aren't in countries Vodaphone serve. So there's another lack of insentive. Now if you had 700 blinks who were going to break contracts with them over it they might think again but as it is that's not going to happen. Vodaphone have nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing something about this, but the blinks feel entitled. Instead of putting the tallent to work for Loadstone they're just bitching. Typical.Brandon Doug Langley wrote:Also, the WFA concept of free life time upgrades also put a nail in its coffin. Wheres the insentive for Vodaphone to develop a program which wont bring them any sort of positive cash flow? This is a gps program and it needs updated data on a regular basis and wheres the insentive for vodaphone to do *anything* that wont bring them at least the ability to break even? First and formost its about money and 777 blind people that signed a petition who arent obligated (by the license agreement) to ever give them another penny arent going to be insentive enough to do anything about it.On 3/2/2010 7:03 AM, Doug Langley wrote:I'm glad to see someone else with a brain. No one ever takes these internet petitions seriously. I signed it but only because it can only help more than hurt. That being said, if people spent as much time working on a new solution instead of trying to save an old dieing one we would probably all be better off. This is vodaphone. they hear from more people in a single hour than they will in this hole petition. And all this petition is doing is asking for a reason why. so we can spend 3 months getting 778 signatures so they can say, "because it didnt make business sense." Thank you for contacting vodaphone we hope we can service you in the future.On 3/2/2010 6:57 AM, Amanda Rush wrote:K this is a record. I was turned off by about the second line of thisguy's message. I totally get being angry about accessibility or the lack thereof, but begging for signatures is like begging for charity. Neither one works very well, and getting angry with the people you're trying toget signatures/charity from isn't a good thing either. Also, IMO, (andit's probably only my opinion, and we know what those are like, but this is the crux of the entire accessibility fight), companies like this one and every other one ignore these sorts of petitions because, even if everysingle blind user were to call their bluff, we're not a big enough oftheir market to matter as far as sales or whatever. And in the case of the FS petition, we can all bitch and whine till we're out of breath, but the fact is that 90% of their clientel is government contracts. So they canpretty much do whatever, and the other AT companies will eventually goalong or go out of business, and so there's no real insentive for FS to do anything positive. Note: I'm not a huge FS fan. At all. So I hope no onetakes this as rooting for them.And wow, DJ Patty, haven't heard from you in *ages. I was wondering whathad happened to you. Good to see you're still around. Amanda -----Original Message-----From: mai...@andrelouis.com [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf Of DjPaddy Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 17:35 To: talk2 Subject: RE: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest Guys just displaying understandable anger over loss of access. Barry -----Original Message-----From: mai...@andrelouis.com [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf OfBrandon Hicks Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM To: talk2 Subject: Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest Agreed. This message speaks of childish tantrums. Even the FreedomScientific petition didn't get much over a thousand signatures, if even that. This one's not going to get much more. I thought about it until Igot to about the third line of the message. Brandon Stephen Clower wrote:So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote:I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav<ta...@talknav.com> on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PMA quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protestFirstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I haveto at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. Wearenearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we needthousands.To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing youall of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for moredetail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? Thisindividual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at yourlocal blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do notown Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, thelist says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind folks, it says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to freedom and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are prepared to use it when necessary. This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a symbol, now please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it sharing, Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, mailing listsetc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rightstoaccessible products then make your mark. More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in support of our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, personalize it with a few lines of message, get the word out there.The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the publicsignatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. To date we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world signup.Spread the word folks. www.talknav.com/protest This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... Regards. Neil Barnfather. _______________________________________________ Access mailing list acc...@accessusers.com http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.Did you miss a message? 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