yeah it did other things to. At 06:11 a.m. 3/03/2010, you wrote: >Here here. I've saved up and purchased all of my assistive tech over the >years. No group of people is entitled to things for free just because of what >may be wrong with them. Remember that virus that disabled all of the pirated >copies of JAWS a couple years ago for Christmas? I'd really like to shake the >hand of whoever put that crack together. I still chuckle about it when the >incident comes to mind. > >Steve > > >On 3/2/2010 10:21 AM, Amanda Rush wrote: >>Thanks for the compliment Doug. Now let me open up another can of worms. >>I'm not necessarily going out of my way to piss people off, but if it >>happens, oh well. >> >>I think that, to a large extent, a lot of blind people think they're >>entitled to accessibility from the private sector, and not only that, but >>entitled to it for free. Yes, it would be nice if we lived in a perfectly >>accessible world, where everything worked and we didn't have to pay extra >>or put in any extra work. But we don't. And at least in the US, (I live in >>the US so I can't comment on the UK or other countries), the ADA, which >>has very few teeth in itself, doesn't apply to the private sector, unless >>they're receiving government funding. And even then, there's the >>"reasonable accommodation" clause. So we really are, in most cases, better >>off hacking our own solutions together, and maybe sharing them with each >>other so there's less re-inventing of the wheel. Because trust me, if I >>were to, say, call FS and tell them that all this Red Hat crap I'm dealing >>with is almost inaccessible, and I want better support for terminal >>emulators, they're pretty much going to tell me to fuck myself because >>there's not enough of a market share for that sort of thing, and same goes >>for virtual machines and all these other nice new technologies they don't >>officially support. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>Doug Langley >>Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:12 >>To: talk2 >>Subject: Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest >> >>Also, the WFA concept of free life time upgrades also put a nail in its >>coffin. Wheres the insentive for Vodaphone to develop a program which >>wont bring them any sort of positive cash flow? This is a gps program >>and it needs updated data on a regular basis and wheres the insentive >>for vodaphone to do *anything* that wont bring them at least the ability >>to break even? First and formost its about money and 777 blind people >>that signed a petition who arent obligated (by the license agreement) to >>ever give them another penny arent going to be insentive enough to do >>anything about it. >> >> >>On 3/2/2010 7:03 AM, Doug Langley wrote: >> >>>I'm glad to see someone else with a brain. No one ever takes these >>>internet petitions seriously. I signed it but only because it can only >>>help more than hurt. That being said, if people spent as much time >>>working on a new solution instead of trying to save an old dieing one >>>we would probably all be better off. This is vodaphone. they hear >>>from more people in a single hour than they will in this hole >>>petition. And all this petition is doing is asking for a reason why. >>>so we can spend 3 months getting 778 signatures so they can say, >>>"because it didnt make business sense." Thank you for contacting >>>vodaphone we hope we can service you in the future. >>> >>>On 3/2/2010 6:57 AM, Amanda Rush wrote: >>> >>>>K this is a record. I was turned off by about the second line of this >>>>guy's message. I totally get being angry about accessibility or the >>>> >>lack >> >>>>thereof, but begging for signatures is like begging for charity. >>>> >>Neither >> >>>>one works very well, and getting angry with the people you're trying to >>>>get signatures/charity from isn't a good thing either. Also, IMO, (and >>>>it's probably only my opinion, and we know what those are like, but >>>> >>this >> >>>>is the crux of the entire accessibility fight), companies like this one >>>>and every other one ignore these sorts of petitions because, even if >>>>every >>>>single blind user were to call their bluff, we're not a big enough of >>>>their market to matter as far as sales or whatever. And in the case >>>>of the >>>>FS petition, we can all bitch and whine till we're out of breath, but >>>>the >>>>fact is that 90% of their clientel is government contracts. So they can >>>>pretty much do whatever, and the other AT companies will eventually go >>>>along or go out of business, and so there's no real insentive for FS >>>>to do >>>>anything positive. Note: I'm not a huge FS fan. At all. So I hope no >>>> >>one >> >>>>takes this as rooting for them. >>>> >>>>And wow, DJ Patty, haven't heard from you in *ages. I was wondering >>>> >>what >> >>>>had happened to you. Good to see you're still around. >>>> >>>>Amanda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>Of Dj >>>>Paddy >>>>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 17:35 >>>>To: talk2 >>>>Subject: RE: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest >>>> >>>>Guys just displaying understandable anger over loss of access. >>>> >>>>Barry >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>Brandon Hicks >>>>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM >>>>To: talk2 >>>>Subject: Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest >>>> >>>>Agreed. This message speaks of childish tantrums. Even the Freedom >>>>Scientific petition didn't get much over a thousand signatures, if even >>>>that. This one's not going to get much more. I thought about it until I >>>>got to about the third line of the message. >>>> >>>>Brandon >>>> >>>>Stephen Clower wrote: >>>> >>>>>So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get >>>>>them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the >>>>>author's attitude, despite his good intentions. >>>>> >>>>>Steve >>>>> >>>>>On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the >>>>>>content of this message speak for itself? >>>>>> >>>>>>From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav<[email protected]> >>>>>>on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have >>>>>>>not signed >>>>>>>the WFA user protest site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Before I start my message the link right here and now is >>>>>>>www.talknav.com/protest >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have >>>>>>>to at >>>>>>>this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We >>>>>>> >>>>are >>>> >>>>>>>nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need >>>>>>> >>>>thousands. >>>> >>>>>>>To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the >>>>>>>application signing, let alone additional support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the >>>>>>>organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you >>>>>>>lot, those >>>>>>>of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have >>>>>>>made me >>>>>>>rather upset and irritated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites >>>>>>>informing you >>>>>>>all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for >>>>>>> >>more >> >>>>>>>detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our >>>>>>>favour, >>>>>>>have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of >>>>>>>competence >>>>>>>when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This >>>>>>>individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your >>>>>>>local >>>>>>>blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, >>>>>>>am very, >>>>>>>very disappointed in you all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if >>>>>>>you do not >>>>>>>own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the >>>>>>>list >>>>>>>says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind >>>>>>>folks, it >>>>>>>says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to >>>>>>>freedom >>>>>>>and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are >>>>>>>prepared >>>>>>>to use it when necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a >>>>>>>symbol, now >>>>>>>please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it >>>>>>>sharing, >>>>>>>Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, >>>>>>>mailing lists >>>>>>>etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights >>>>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>>>>>accessible products then make your mark. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in >>>>>>>support of >>>>>>>our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, >>>>>>>personalize it >>>>>>>with a few lines of message, get the word out there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the >>>>>>> >>public >> >>>>>>>signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. >>>>>>>To date >>>>>>>we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign >>>>>>> >>>>up. >>>> >>>>>>>Spread the word folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>www.talknav.com/protest >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Neil Barnfather. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>Access mailing list >>>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>>http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>>>>eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Did you miss a message? 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