On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 5:07 PM BCLUG via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > > o1bigtenor wrote on 2023-07-27 14:23: > > >>>> In my view computers should change to suit humans, not the > >>>> other way around. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> So thankful that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Is > >>> there any way to make this louder > >> > >> Sounds like you guys hate CLI environments and probably use Siri / > >> Google Assistant / Alexa / *voice* as a near ideal human-like > >> user interface then? > > > > Hmmmmmm - - - - I remember the advertisements early on in > > microcomputers - - - - you know - - - - "computing your way" > > implying that an IT department wasn't going to force you to do things > > the way they wanted. That was considered a great idea - - - - until > > those same IT departments - - - - now responsible for fleets of > > microcomputers - - - well - - - they decided that they're the only > > ones who understand how a computer should be used. > > Those IT departments weren't wrong.
Snickering (its the only possible response!). > > You may have noticed that the world has changed, and for example, > letting users store all their documents all over their PCs is a disaster > when it comes to backing up business documents. > > So, IT removed some options from users, because typical users don't > "understand how a computer should be used". Nope IT removed almost all options from users because they think that they're the only ones that understand how to use a computer. Its something like the debate between gnome and kde. The debate boils down to how one processes things - - - - ergo - - - how one thinks. > > Do what you want on your own computers, but at work you cannot store > critical documents in C:\WINDOWS\VERYIMPORTANTFINANCIALS\THISMUSTBESAVED.doc > Interesting example - - - - seems like the staff at the company you work for really have no clue about how to do business. Rescue yourself from such tedium - - - find a better job! > > > > You know - - - - where you only have a gui environment - - - or > > where you only have a cli environment - - - - or where your cli > > environment stifles flexibility - - - - (shall I go on ?). > > Again, do what you want with *your own* computers. > > > And what's with - - - - the - - - - writing - - - - "style" - - - - ? Is > there - - - - a - - - - reason? Yes there is - - - have you ever noticed how in speech there is a rhythm to it? Or perhaps you interact seldom with mouth breathers? Its an attempt at massaging written language into a shape closer to that of speech. > > > > > >> Desktop environments take their name and derive the concept from > >> offices in the pre-electronic age. Window managers sound like > >> something only pertinent to computers. Like terminals. > > > > As such the technology makes it easier to work with for most of us. > > (Except for the idea of 0 being an actual counter as it is in only > > the computing world.) > > I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make now. > > > >> Sounds quite un-Linuxy. > > > > What - - - - you're not going to regale us on how you use VT-100 > > terminals for so very many years as you perfected your use of > > assembly language? > > No, that would be stupid. > > I'm just pointing out "computers that work like humans" (or "change to > suit humans") and "command line interfaces" seem rather mutually exclusive. > > Humans communicate verbally for the most part until we all learned to > type - we changed to work in a more computer-centric manner. > > > And I love working in a CLI. But I'm working in the computer's way, > it's not working in a human way. > > It's highly efficient to know bash, etc., yet shells are rather unlike > any human to human communication techniques. Hmmmmmmmmmm - - - mathematics, motion control are two areas that come to mind where one can use either a cli or a much more natural language. Whatever it takes to get the job done. > > > Hence my semi-jesting message about how much we really want computers to > suit humans, as the computer interfaces that most suit typical humans > are anathema to computer geeks and LUG members. It might come down to a very different way of looking at things. I suffer from being multi-lingual - - - it is fascinating to me that the first computer that I used was easiest to use along with the widest capabilities - - - - some almost 40 years ago. Even today I find trying to use multiple languages in a document is a right royal pita. Supposedly I can use special characters but I find the still remembered character groupings from the Mac far more intuitive than anything that I've seen in linux - - - - even though linux is available in far more languages than any other system that I know about. But then it seems that programmers don't find it too important to communicate with people - - - - its just more fun to communicate with a computer, and therein lies the rub. Regards --- Post to this mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
