I usually use http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp as a rough guide. It shows 94% JavaScript on, 6% off for January 2007.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Withington Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:08 AM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] Thoughts on using JavaScript with no progressive fall-back I agree. With absolutely no data to back this up, I bet any "serious" web user has JavaScript on and probably [relatively] up-to-date on their browser version. So, like the proverbial Willy Sutton reply, [Why do you rob banks, Willy?] "Cause that's where the money is" Why do we write code with no progressive fall-back? "Cause that's where the money is" On 2/26/07, Kenneth Downs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cliff Hirsch wrote: > I'm seeing more and more applications that simply do not work if > JavaScript is turned off. In fact, I'm looking at purchasing a slick > shopping cart that seems great, but I think the lack of progressive fallback > is a show stopper. > > Whatever happened to building a robust PHP application and only then > layering on the client-side enhancements? To me this lack of > progressive fall-back is just laziness, arrogance, or the victim of > the usual time pressures. This isn't an opinionated group — right?! So > I curious to here what others think. > > It's probably just market trends. Fewer and fewer people have > Javascript turned off (or so it is perceived), and so they are less > and less of a constituency. At some point a person says, why am I > bothering with this for? Or, how far back to I have to remain > compatible? Then a lot of people say that, and suddenly Javascript is > required. > > > > > Are there any data sources that measure what browsers people are > using today and what percentage of people turn JS off or don't have it? > > Cliff ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > > -- > Kenneth Downs > Secure Data Software, Inc. > www.secdat.com / www.andromeda-project.org > Office: 631-689-7200 Cell: 631-379-0010 > > ::Think you may have a problem with programming? Ask yourself this > ::question: do you worry about how to throw away a garbage can? > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- Mark -------------------------- Mark L. Withington PLMresearch PO Box 1354 Plymouth, MA 02362 o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704 f: 508-746-4973 v: 508-746-2383 m: 508-801-0181 Skype: 508-570-2285 http://www.PLMresearch.com AIM/MSN/Skype: PLMresearch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key: http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
