I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with NVDA,
mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version of WE to
read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the various related
articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read them. I do hope that WE
will continue to be around but I'm preparing for the worst by trying to
learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to using the Shark.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
Pam,
User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.
You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make
them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.
I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I
only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream and
run every time I mentioned user windows.
You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.
Regards,
Tom
On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid: what are these user windows you
are talking about? pam.
-----Original Message----- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: [email protected] ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
I Miss a big big feature that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
eyes. I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
for a couple of programs I use. Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking. It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
than I want.
I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
so much a Window Eyes problem. From time to time, I have major problems
using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
not displaying the Drives.
From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
read by Window Eyes 9.5.
This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
Windows 10.
These last three issues are probably Script issues. Either they did not
load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly. But, if there
is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
in 8.X. this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
read as well as it did in 8.X.
I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc. In my opinion, none of these editions were
quite ready for paying customers. Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
public and to existing Customers.
I could very well be wrong, but I thought the decision to ship 9.0 to
the Market was a choice made by the drastic need for Money.
This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
us who buy upgrades.
If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items, but
I have made my point.
Grumpy Dave
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