ug. i thought this thread was dead ages ago....it's the thread that
never dies! sounds like a horror movie! lol!
On 12/17/2016 8:08 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well
with? Speaking of "the shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction,
or Bleed 'Em Scientific, or one I came up with "Free-dumb" Scientific.
Kim Lingo
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO
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From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: Veronica Smith
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <[email protected]>
wrote:
Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
that fish. Tell me why or why not. V
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From: Talk
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to
using the Shark.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
Pam,
User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.
You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and
on.
Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.
I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
and run every time I mentioned user windows.
You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.
Regards,
Tom
On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid: what are these user windows
you are talking about? pam.
-----Original Message----- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: [email protected] ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
I Miss a big big feature that is no longer in the version 9.X of
Window eyes. I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've
created for a couple of programs I use. Without those User Windows,
Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes
8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking. It is not Windows
Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more
text than I want.
I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter
of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and
not so much a Window Eyes problem. From time to time, I have major
problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in
Becky.
When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because
either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or
Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.
From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one
time.
If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown,
or read by Window Eyes 9.5.
This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition
of Windows 10.
These last three issues are probably Script issues. Either they did
not load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly. But, if
there is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like
this that never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that
will force me to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I
did in 8.X. this too has more to do with consistency, because there
are times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't
work or read as well as it did in 8.X.
I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc. In my opinion, none of these editions
were
quite ready for paying customers. Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the
general public and to existing Customers.
I could very well be wrong, but I thought the decision to ship 9.0
to the Market was a choice made by the drastic need for Money.
This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of
Software Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable
for those of us who buy upgrades.
If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items,
but I have made my point.
Grumpy Dave
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